bschmaranz Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_leagu...?urn=mlb,206780 Our beloved Andruw is on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Zito and Hampton have to be the two worst. Super-long-term deals for starters, and they just handicapped their respective teams with their presence. At least the shorter deals didn't lock up teams as long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 02:55 PM) Zito and Hampton have to be the two worst. Super-long-term deals for starters, and they just handicapped their respective teams with their presence. At least the shorter deals didn't lock up teams as long. Agree. No way do Schmidt (3 years) and Andruw (2 years) belong on there over guys like Soriano (8 years) and Helton (9 years). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SockMe Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 1. Darren Dreifort, Los Angeles Dodgers — 5 years, $55 million never even heard of him, must have been a horrible contract! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 02:55 PM) Zito and Hampton have to be the two worst. Super-long-term deals for starters, and they just handicapped their respective teams with their presence. At least the shorter deals didn't lock up teams as long. Zito did have a pretty good year last season, so he's maybe earned 9% of that contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 I question Schmidt's contract being so high there, I know it didn't work out, but the guy had no injury history, it was just bad luck. Carlos Silva was just always bad, Darren Dreifort was never any good, those are worst contracts, although I am surprised our friend Rios wasnt on there. A few years from now Alfonso will be high on that list as his contract increases and he gets old and keeps getting worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 5, 2009 -> 11:02 PM) I question Schmidt's contract being so high there, I know it didn't work out, but the guy had no injury history, it was just bad luck. Carlos Silva was just always bad, Darren Dreifort was never any good, those are worst contracts, although I am surprised our friend Rios wasnt on there. A few years from now Alfonso will be high on that list as his contract increases and he gets old and keeps getting worse. Signing guys after career years and giving them a lot of money is the worst kind of signing you can have. Signing guys who are close to their prime to a lot of money with no injury history is nowhere near as bad. Pavano, Dreifort, and Silva are easily three of the worst signings on there. Only because you knew there was a good chance they were going to suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 5, 2009 -> 11:02 PM) I question Schmidt's contract being so high there, I know it didn't work out, but the guy had no injury history, it was just bad luck. Carlos Silva was just always bad, Darren Dreifort was never any good, those are worst contracts, although I am surprised our friend Rios wasnt on there. A few years from now Alfonso will be high on that list as his contract increases and he gets old and keeps getting worse. If he wasn't, Vernon Wells is going to be on there far before Alexis Rios. Rios has put up several good seasons and is much more likely to turn into an above average offensive player and a good player in many other metrics than he is to continue putting up low .700 OPS's. I still don't think the Alexis Rios contract is a bad one. It's not great, but there are worse contracts out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 6, 2009 -> 02:51 AM) If he wasn't, Vernon Wells is going to be on there far before Alexis Rios. Rios has put up several good seasons and is much more likely to turn into an above average offensive player and a good player in many other metrics than he is to continue putting up low .700 OPS's. I still don't think the Alexis Rios contract is a bad one. It's not great, but there are worse contracts out there. Gotta agree here...Wells has a horrific contract, essentially getting monster money for 3 GG's and 2 good offensive seasons. Rios' contract is more justifiable, since he could have gone to arbitration, was 27, coming off two All-Star games, had a good bat at that point and a good glove. And its not worth nearly as much as Wells'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Although the Rios contract isn't good, one bad season doesn't make it bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 wow...dodgers have made some horrible moves.....8 of those 10 come from the 2 west divisions...i think that honestly emphasizes their desperate struggle to compete with the east coast teams in making "the next big splash" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Soriano should be rocketing up to the top of that list over the next few seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurlyMan56 Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Denny Neagle, 5 years, 51 million with the Rockies anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Kevin Brown, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 QUOTE (The Beast @ Dec 6, 2009 -> 06:40 PM) Kevin Brown, anyone? He signed with the Dodgers in 1998. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 How is 2 years of Andruw Jones worse than the Zito disaster? And how on earth is soriano not on this list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 06:00 PM) How is 2 years of Andruw Jones worse than the Zito disaster? And how on earth is soriano not on this list? I imagine because, in the 1 year Jones actually played for the Dodgers, he put up an OPS+ of 35. Zito, in 3 years with the Giants, has put up an ERA+ of 97. I imagine Zito's FIP is rather high, but he's actually been a decent middle of the rotation starter for the Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 06:27 PM) I imagine because, in the 1 year Jones actually played for the Dodgers, he put up an OPS+ of 35. Zito, in 3 years with the Giants, has put up an ERA+ of 97. I imagine Zito's FIP is rather high, but he's actually been a decent middle of the rotation starter for the Giants. His FIP in each individual season since joining the Giants is lower than his final year in Oakland and right around what he had been producing in his final 3 seasons with the A's. Which makes that contract look just that much more irresponsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 7, 2009 -> 06:27 PM) I imagine because, in the 1 year Jones actually played for the Dodgers, he put up an OPS+ of 35. Zito, in 3 years with the Giants, has put up an ERA+ of 97. I imagine Zito's FIP is rather high, but he's actually been a decent middle of the rotation starter for the Giants. Yeah but the length and money for Zito dwarfs what they gave Jones, and that is the real risk. Overpaying someone for a year isn't going to ruin a franchise. Overpaying them for 7 could do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 07:23 AM) Yeah but the length and money for Zito dwarfs what they gave Jones, and that is the real risk. Overpaying someone for a year isn't going to ruin a franchise. Overpaying them for 7 could do that. Oh I agree, I think Zito's contract is among the three worst, with Soriano and Wells being the others. I'm just trying to see it through their eyes. Edited December 8, 2009 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 08:06 AM) Oh I agree, I think Zito's contract is among the three worst, with Soriano and Wells being the others. I'm just trying to see it through their eyes. I put Hampton ahead of Soriano for sure, and maybe Wells as well. Soriano at least has been pretty productive so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I think Hampton is numero uno, to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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