Marky Mark Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I feel like a lot of people have not really considered the idea of Quentin at DH. Obviously the knee jerk reaction to this thread is to exclaim how moving him to DH will "diminish his value" and he is too young in his career to become a DH. But think about this, is he a good left fielder? No, maybe averageish. If he was moved back to RF would he regain his semi-impressive defensive ability that some saw in him during his younger days? Its possible that he would be a better RF than he was LF, but it certainly wouldn't be anything that great. My real motivation for wanting him at DH is this, throughout his time on the Sox and prior to coming to the Sox in the DB organization, Carlos was always getting injured. A lot of people here view him as the current and future big hitter for the Sox. But I've always felt that he is so injury prone that I can't help but feel that he's not going to ever consistently play healthy which will deter him from living up to his full offensive potential. I say put him at DH to 1) cut down on his opportunity for injury, 2) eliminate ware and tare, 3) and he'll be able to recover from injuries easier by staying out of the field. I know the fact that Carlos stands on the plate and gets hit a lot is a big reason why he gets hurt a lot, but he also has lower body issues to which can be blamed on the fact that he's playing the field. If his body is injury prone, it will just become a matter of time before he gets hurt in the field. Don't over analyze this statement too much, but you know how for a while we all knew that year after year it would be a matter of time before Prior and Wood would make a trip to the DL even though every year the Cub fans would have complete hope and reliance on them? I don't want Carlos to do the same for us. Pros of Carlos at DH -Cuts down on opportunity for injury -Allows for better recovery when he tries to play through injuries (which he does and will do) -Allows CQ to primarily focus on hitting -provides potential for better defense in the outfield (dependent on his replacement) Cons of Carlos at DH -Its easier to find a good offensive DH than a good offensive COF -Carlos might get crabby becoming a 27 year old DH -Teams value position players over DH's when it comes time to trade him. What are your thoughts on this? For a while we thought Dye was going to become the Sox' future DH, but apparently that's no longer part of the picture. Switching him to DH could be feasible if the Sox can land to decent corner OFs, but if that's not happening, its not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 The man has a cannon arm, plays solid defense and he's far too young to be a DH. If he was 35 instead of 27, I'd say that you might be onto something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 Yes, he has a good arm, but what good is that if he's on the DL? I just feel like the risk of injury outweighs the added value he receives out of his ability in the OF and his offensivevalue@OF - offensivevalue@DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Its not all about Carlos Quentin in this matter. KW has already stated he sees the DH role on this team being someone who can be easily be rotated in and out of the field. I think Quentin would be a fine DH and could totally see him playing a majority of his games there. But he wont take on that role unless there is a viable LF option for us to sign. Someone who can produce both offensively and defensively for this team, that means if Quentin is gonna be the DH its less likely that sox would get Matsui or another older slugger for that position. Its possible if Quentin moves to DH that could open things up for a true leadoff hitter, which would be the best option. But I doubt he is "moved" to DH unless a significant corner OF can be signed, at least for 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I wonder if he'll continue to crowd the plate as much as he does. He seems to get hit a ton and smashes foul balls off his insteps all the time. He definitely got his stroke back at the end of last season. I wouldn't complain if he was DH if we had 3 very good to great outfielders, but we don't have that right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 CQ's last few injuries were hitting related weren't they? Wrist/Foot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Quentin has far from a canon arm. It's turned out to be underwhelming at best with incredibly disappointing accuracy. There's a tremendous amount of loft on his throws. His arm's only real shining moment came in his 3rd game played with the team, not much of note since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 You put him at DH, who do you have playing at LF and RF if you've got Rios at CF? And don't forget that the Sox are going to shelling out a lot of money this off-season, and they want to improve the bullpen by signing Putz it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 02:24 AM) CQ's last few injuries were hitting related weren't they? Wrist/Foot... This. He hasn't hurt himself in the field. He has hurt himself on freak things. Taking him out of the field wouldn't change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 DH is just easier to fill than OF, even if it's a below average OF. DH, you can plug guys like Thome, Branyan, Johnson in there. You just wouldn't put Q at DH to put Matsui in the OF on an everyday basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 08:11 AM) This. He hasn't hurt himself in the field. He has hurt himself on freak things. Taking him out of the field wouldn't change that. Freaky injurires happen to injury prone players. 1 or 2 injuries I can see but when it is 4 and 5 you become a Jim McMahon type of guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 10:28 AM) Freaky injurires happen to injury prone players. 1 or 2 injuries I can see but when it is 4 and 5 you become a Jim McMahon type of guy. Jermaine Dye said "hi". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 While I don't like the idea of DHing him, I also don't like the idea of him in RF. I think that he needs to lose a little weight to be athletic enough to cover right field. I guess that it would be ok if we had excellent defenders in center and left. But, an outfield of Pods, Rios and Quentin could get ugly unless they have Jones and Kotsay filling in and rotating at DH so that Pods and Quentin aren't out there together so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 10:28 AM) Freaky injurires happen to injury prone players. 1 or 2 injuries I can see but when it is 4 and 5 you become a Jim McMahon type of guy. Exactly. Some guys just have bodies that seem to get hurt in situations that others' would not. Also, if he pulls or tweaks a hammy or something, is he gonna recover quicker playing through it out of DH or OF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 01:57 PM) Exactly. Some guys just have bodies that seem to get hurt in situations that others' would not. Also, if he pulls or tweaks a hammy or something, is he gonna recover quicker playing through it out of DH or OF? He's yet to tweak anything since he's been here. He punched something hard and got Plantar Fasciitis (and aggravated the damn thing rounding 1B). If you make Quentin your DH then you vastly increase the difficulty of adding that big bat this offseason since he has to play a passable corner outfield 100+ games next year and you'll still be an outfielder short. Then there's the risk that Quentin doesn't take to the DH role and his offense suffers greatly or you have an unhappy Q because he doesn't want to greatly limit his possible future earnings by earning the stigma of a player who can't handle playing the field. So you'd be making the job of the General Manager substantially more difficult and possibly hinder Quentin's offensive production/happiness because you think he might, someday for the first time hurt himself playing the outfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 01:57 PM) Exactly. Some guys just have bodies that seem to get hurt in situations that others' would not. Also, if he pulls or tweaks a hammy or something, is he gonna recover quicker playing through it out of DH or OF? I would love an explanation of how something in TCQs body made him get hurt over anyone else punching a bat. (or a locker as the case may be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 He's had plenty of other injuries besides that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 03:26 PM) He's had plenty of other injuries besides that. You mean like the surgery he had to repair his left labrum and rotator cuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 Say for example, his heal problem, if he was DHing that whole time, you think he would have been healing quicker? (Yes, obviously with Thome we couldn't DH him at the time) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 04:17 PM) Say for example, his heal problem, if he was DHing that whole time, you think he would have been healing quicker? (Yes, obviously with Thome we couldn't DH him at the time) He re-aggravated the injury rounding first, the only place he would have been safe to heal up would be on the bench and that's what eventually happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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