Jeremy Reed, Lance Broadway and Brian Anderson Non-Tendered

[bighurt4life]

That's a fine draft record for the previous administration.

[EvilJester99]

Man I remember people freakin out over trading Reed away....

[JDsDirtySox]

I predict the Chicago Cubs will have interest in BA as a 4th OF.

[bschmaranz]

Coop can fi... oh wait.

[witesoxfan]

Freddy Garcia (and then in turn, Gavin Floyd), Ramon Castro, and Mark Kotsay for 3 guys who have completely bombed.

[Jordan4life_2007]

It's amazing KW is able to trade away as many prospects as he does. At this point, why would any GM even look at a White Sox prospect, let alone trade for one? BA is doing a top 10 prospects of the decade for each team. I can't wait to see ours. It's going to be Beckham and a bunch of raw sewage.

Edited December 13, 2009 by Jordan4life

[SoxAce]

For the love of god please get Jeremy Reed.. :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

[G&T]

It's amazing KW is able to trade away as many prospects as he does. At this point, why would any GM even look at a White Sox prospect, let alone trade for one? BA is doing a top 10 prospects of the decade for each team. I can't wait to see ours. It's going to be Beckham and a bunch of raw sewage.

 

Teams still trade with the Braves and Yankees.

[DaveBrown85]

i was so mad when they traded away Reed

[bighurt4life]

Freddy Garcia (and then in turn, Gavin Floyd), Ramon Castro, and Mark Kotsay for 3 guys who have completely bombed.

 

This is true, not to mention getting Flowers through Vasquez via Chris Young who has also bombed out.

[BlackBetsy]

i was so mad when they traded away Reed

I was upset that they traded him away....and I'm very surprised that he never hit well in MLB. Guys don't hit .400 in the Southern League without having talent. He must have had some huge flaw (like a slider speed bat or something) that just got exposed in the majors.

[Kyyle23]

I was upset that they traded him away....and I'm very surprised that he never hit well in MLB. Guys don't hit .400 in the Southern League without having talent. He must have had some huge flaw (like a slider speed bat or something) that just got exposed in the majors.

 

Didnt he have a pretty significant injury in Seattle that he never was the same afterwards?

[striker]

It's amazing KW is able to trade away as many prospects as he does. At this point, why would any GM even look at a White Sox prospect, let alone trade for one? BA is doing a top 10 prospects of the decade for each team. I can't wait to see ours. It's going to be Beckham and a bunch of raw sewage.

You can say that about alot of prospect in alot of organizations. Remember how expensive Todd VanPoppel's Gold Leaf rookies was? He was going to be the next Nolan Ryan. I remember Mets fans posting on MLBTR how Humber and Milledge were untouchable, how did they turn out?

[DaveBrown85]

Didnt he have a pretty significant injury in Seattle that he never was the same afterwards?

he had a wrist injury when he ran into the wall in CF he also broke his thumb

[SoxAce]

he had a wrist injury when he ran into the wall in CF he also broke his thumb

 

Seattle also told him to be more aggressive in the count and pull the ball more (Reed was more disciplined gap to gap hitter back then, not a power hitter) Seems that f***ed up his mechanics as well. I loved Reed... still do. Hell after his brief showing in 04, I thought he was gonna be a really studly player.

Edited December 13, 2009 by SoxAce

[knightni]

Florida/Atlanta might take a look at BA.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Teams still trade with the Braves and Yankees.

 

KW has made the most trades involving prospects by a pretty good margin since he's been GM. And not a single one of them has become an even above average major leaguer. You're right about the Yankees (although guys like Cano, Chamberlain and Hughes have come through their system). But the Braves have been a prospect factory for over two decades. Just off the top of my head guys like Adam Wainwright, Neftali Feliz, Joey Devine and Elvis Andrus were drafted/signed then traded. That's top flight major league talent. Not to mention guys like Tommie Hanson and Jason Heyward. If I'm a GM and I'm lookin' to trade for prospects, one of the teams I'd target would be the Braves. Not the White Sox. But props to Kenny. He obviously knows when to get rid of these guys. You would just think after a while GM's would catch on.

 

You can say that about alot of prospect in alot of organizations. Remember how expensive Todd VanPoppel's Gold Leaf rookies was? He was going to be the next Nolan Ryan. I remember Mets fans posting on MLBTR how Humber and Milledge were untouchable, how did they turn out?

 

You're not getting what I'm saying. I know top prospects flop in every organization. My point is that it's mind-boggling with our recent history of pathetic drafts, combined with the fact that out of the dozens of prospects KW has traded over the years that not a single one of them has amounted to anything, that GM's are still willing to deal with him. If I'm a GM, I don't even look Kenny's way.

Edited December 13, 2009 by Jordan4life

[bmags]

You're not getting what I'm saying. I know top prospects flop in every organization. My point is that it's mind-boggling with our recent history of pathetic drafts, combined with the fact that out of the dozens of prospects KW has traded over the years that not a single one of them has amounted to anything, that GM's are still willing to deal with him. If I'm a GM, I don't even look Kenny's way.

 

Well they don't have coop to fix em.

[bmags]

BTW I too was going nuts when we traded Reed. But this was when I was young and tracked our prospects through stats alone. Seeing reed hit .400 made me very attached. Also, I thought Ruddy Yan was going to be a stud. Fun Times.

 

I thought Kenny got fleeced in this deal. You mean to tell me he gave up reed morse, AND OLIVO?!?! THATS TOO MUCH

[Quin]

KW has made the most trades involving prospects by a pretty good margin since he's been GM. And not a single one of them has become an even above average major leaguer. You're right about the Yankees (although guys like Cano, Chamberlain and Hughes have come through their system). But the Braves have been a prospect factory for over two decades. Just off the top of my head guys like Adam Wainwright, Neftali Feliz, Joey Devine and Elvis Andrus were drafted/signed then traded. That's top flight major league talent. Not to mention guys like Tommie Hanson and Jason Heyward. If I'm a GM and I'm lookin' to trade for prospects, one of the teams I'd target would be the Braves. Not the White Sox. But props to Kenny. He obviously knows when to get rid of these guys. You would just think after a while GM's would catch on.

 

 

 

You're not getting what I'm saying. I know top prospects flop in every organization. My point is that it's mind-boggling with our recent history of pathetic drafts, combined with the fact that out of the dozens of prospects KW has traded over the years that not a single one of them has amounted to anything, that GM's are still willing to deal with him. If I'm a GM, I don't even look Kenny's way.

 

I think Beckham may have re-established faith in our system.

 

Perhaps that will make teams trade with us again.

[Dick Allen]

Next time anyone wants to use minor league stats as proof a guy will be a MLB stud, just check out Jeremy Reed's numbers. As a 22 year old in Birmingham, the guy hit .409 with an OPS 1.065, with speed and you know he's a solid defensive player. Then he comes up to Seattle, hits close to .400 in about 60 AB and then just tanks. At least Greg Walker can't be blamed.

[G&T]

KW has made the most trades involving prospects by a pretty good margin since he's been GM. And not a single one of them has become an even above average major leaguer. You're right about the Yankees (although guys like Cano, Chamberlain and Hughes have come through their system). But the Braves have been a prospect factory for over two decades. Just off the top of my head guys like Adam Wainwright, Neftali Feliz, Joey Devine and Elvis Andrus were drafted/signed then traded. That's top flight major league talent. Not to mention guys like Tommie Hanson and Jason Heyward. If I'm a GM and I'm lookin' to trade for prospects, one of the teams I'd target would be the Braves. Not the White Sox. But props to Kenny. He obviously knows when to get rid of these guys. You would just think after a while GM's would catch on.

 

 

 

You're not getting what I'm saying. I know top prospects flop in every organization. My point is that it's mind-boggling with our recent history of pathetic drafts, combined with the fact that out of the dozens of prospects KW has traded over the years that not a single one of them has amounted to anything, that GM's are still willing to deal with him. If I'm a GM, I don't even look Kenny's way.

 

Yeah, I see what you are saying and I agree.

 

IMO, teams still trade with KW because he is the only guy willing to trade prospects these days because he doesn't over value mediocre talent. Even if the guys aren't very good, they are young and cheap and can fill the roster. That's probably why we see deals with KC and Oakland so often.

[Dick Allen]

Yeah, I see what you are saying and I agree.

 

IMO, teams still trade with KW because he is the only guy willing to trade prospects these days because he doesn't over value mediocre talent. Even if the guys aren't very good, they are young and cheap and can fill the roster. That's probably why we see deals with KC and Oakland so often.

Also if you look at the 3 DFA'd guys and the trades they were involved in, Jeremy Reed was 23, had just hit over .400 as a 22 year old in AA and went with Miguel Olivo, the White Sox starting C at the time and Mike Morse, for Freddy Garcia, a guy about 100 games away from being a FA, and a guy with some issues off the field and on the previous season. So, at the time, if this was Marinerstalk.com I think the majority would have been in favor of the deal. Broadway went for Raul Castro, so that was pretty much bust for bust, and Kotsay was DFA'd by Boston. Everyone knew at the time Boston was exactly the perfect spot for BA, but they were going to have to pay Kotsay if they released him so they got a part.

 

What is sad is a lot of these guys popped up on top Sox prospects lists. That has to change. Beckham is a start. Hopefully these other guys continue the improvement but we won't know until they prove they are solid major leaguers.

 

I do think guys with scouting backgrounds who post on websites are looking at the Sox guys in a lesser light, and maybe its because of all the busts. Keith Law doesn't have much good to say about any Sox prospect and the other guy on espn.com covering the AZ Fall League says Danks is very overrrated. Maybe he is or maybe he's taking a calculated guess basing it at least partially on all the failed prospects that have come up through the White Sox system.

[Kyyle23]

Also if you look at the 3 DFA'd guys and the trades they were involved in, Jeremy Reed was 23, had just hit over .400 as a 22 year old in AA and went with Miguel Olivo, the White Sox starting C at the time and Mike Morse, for Freddy Garcia, a guy about 100 games away from being a FA, and a guy with some issues off the field and on the previous season. So, at the time, if this was Marinerstalk.com I think the majority would have been in favor of the deal. Broadway went for Raul Castro, so that was pretty much bust for bust, and Kotsay was DFA'd by Boston. Everyone knew at the time Boston was exactly the perfect spot for BA, but they were going to have to pay Kotsay if they released him so they got a part.

 

What is sad is a lot of these guys popped up on top Sox prospects lists. That has to change. Beckham is a start. Hopefully these other guys continue the improvement but we won't know until they prove they are solid major leaguers.

 

I do think guys with scouting backgrounds who post on websites are looking at the Sox guys in a lesser light, and maybe its because of all the busts. Keith Law doesn't have much good to say about any Sox prospect and the other guy on espn.com covering the AZ Fall League says Danks is very overrrated. Maybe he is or maybe he's taking a calculated guess basing it at least partially on all the failed prospects that have come up through the White Sox system.

 

I still dont think it matters in the grand scheme of things because of the boom or bust nature of prospects. We can sit here and talk about how the Sox system is full of nobodies and lesser players, and that scouts look at the system with derision, but that same farm system netted them Peavy last year, and at this point the only player that looks like will truly stick at the Major league level is Richard. Prior to the last few years the system was subpar, and KW was masterful at being a snakeoil salesman to get what he wanted. Now with them focusing on minor league development, KW will be able to be less of a snakeoil salesman and more of a Rolex salesman and the deals will be a little easier, and the kids will be able to come up and produce.

[quickman]

Its amazing how in love people on this site were with our prospects. Brian Anderson had some pop cult following on this board which was out of control.I mentioned it years ago this guy was nothing more than a 4th outfielder and an attitude waiting to be adjusted. Well its not just the whitesox who think he sucks. They still have problems in there system, but the newer regime needs another year. The players that are good have come from other orgs or signed freely ie cuba. Beckham of course was really a can't miss prospect. hard not to screw that up. I expect Josh Fields to lose his baseball life within two years as well.