White Sox acquire Juan Pierre

[bighurt574]

Kenny is building a deep, veteran team this offseason, probably because so many of the unproven guys on our 2009 opening day roster were non-contributors as the season played out. I think Kenny is one deal away from having a very nice offseason.

[2nd_city_saint787]

LOL. Alex Rios sure as hell ain't hittin 25 HR. Most of those are huge reaches. Our pitching staff better be 2005 stellar cause our offense is gonna suck.

 

 

Yeah, his .847 OPS last year really sucked. I have no problem bringing him back for $5M or so next year.

 

 

 

You have some very overly-optimistic projections there.

 

 

Those projections are indeed very optimistic, but I actually could see Beckham hitting 25.

 

 

If Beckham hits 25 homers next year he is either juicing or hitting .250.

 

 

 

apparently my predictions were out there but i really think none of em are out of the realm of possibility

 

Rios hit 24 in Toronto which is not only plays its home games in a pitchers friendly ballpark, youre also playing a ton of games in the AL East. Playing in the cell and feasting on some AL central pitching I think he could easily hit 25 maybe even closer to 30.

 

I think a lot of people will tell you Beckham can put up 25 in a full season, he put up 14 in 103 games plus hes only gonna get better.

 

Andruw jones hit 17 in 82 games, 25-30 should be rather easy, its just a matter of can we deal with the low AVG hes more than likely gonna put up.

 

Teahan is the only prediction i think i may have over shot but he put up 18 in 109 games in 06 and i see him putting up those kind of numbers in the cell around a winning ball club in his first year where hes trying to prove something

[ThunderBolt]

Here’s how Bill James has us pegged for homeruns next year. Note: I don’t think Nix will be on the 25 man nor will Jones be a starter, and James tends to over predict. Not an exact assessment, but an assessment just the same. James has us landing around 188 homeruns.

AJ-14, Konerko-29, Beckham-21, Teahen-13, Ramirez-18, Q-30, Rios-16, Pierre-1, Jones-22(adjusted for playing time)-

Bench:

Nix-8, Kotsay-3, Flowers-12, Visquel-1

 

[daggins]

minor note - rogers centre has about the same park conversion rate as USCF. its a dome and thus not any sort of pitchers paradise.

[The Critic]

IMO, we'll be saying goodbye to at least one of our top prospects before this winter is over.

and then we'll most likely see that top prospect non-tendered after a few years of nondescript production.

[hogan873]

and then we'll most likely see that top prospect non-tendered after a few years of nondescript production.

 

Where is Joe Borchard anyway?

[Kalapse]

He had an awful June and a pretty horrendous September (as did a lot of the Dodgers). But he also had a strong April, a tremendous May, and a good August. And as a full time starter, he basically had one great month and one terrible month. All in all, it was a solid, but not great season.

 

And while Pierre doesn't hit doubles, he can turn singles into doubles with his feet. He's not the stealer he once was, but he's still pretty good and will likely run a lot more in Chicago than he did in LA.

 

I'd expect hope the Sox can get something similar to his 2007 season, with maybe a bit better OBP (but I'm being greedy and unrealistic there). Yes, they are mediocre numbers, but when you add in the stolen base numbers, it is acceptable at 4M a season.

A single and a stolen base is not the same thing as a double, I hate it when people make them out to be equal. In '07 he put up a .331 OBP (that's 20 points below the league average for an AL leadoff man last season) and had 32 XBH, the stolen bases are fun and all but they're not making up for those tremendous shortcommings. I just can't wait to see that arm in LF and way too often in center, you can run on popup just over the thirdbaseman's head.

[Chisoxfn]

A single and a stolen base is not the same thing as a double, I hate it when people make them out to be equal. In '07 he put up a .331 OBP (that's 20 points below the league average for an AL leadoff man last season) and had 32 XBH, the stolen bases are fun and all but they're not making up for those tremendous shortcommings. I just can't wait to see that arm in LF and way too often in center, you can run on popup just over the thirdbaseman's head.

He should not play CF, except in a pinch. He needs to be in left, imo, and even with the arm, he's a better defensive left fielder than Pods.

[YonderLaroche]

I think there will be one more big move for a power bat... even if we have to trade Jenks to save $$$

[BigSqwert]

He should not play CF, except in a pinch. He needs to be in left, imo, and even with the arm, he's a better defensive left fielder than Pods.

Does anyone really trust Ozzie to put the correct guys in the 3 OF spots? I know I don't.

[WCSox]

Rios hit 24 in Toronto which is not only plays its home games in a pitchers friendly ballpark, youre also playing a ton of games in the AL East. Playing in the cell and feasting on some AL central pitching I think he could easily hit 25 maybe even closer to 30.

 

Rios hasn't even averaged 20 HRs/season throughout his career. How did playing at the Cell help his power numbers this past summer?

 

I think a lot of people will tell you Beckham can put up 25 in a full season, he put up 14 in 103 games plus hes only gonna get better.

 

I agree with this.

 

Andruw jones hit 17 in 82 games, 25-30 should be rather easy, its just a matter of can we deal with the low AVG hes more than likely gonna put up.

 

IMO, it's more of a matter of whether Jones will have enough plate appearances. He's probably not going to be a starting outfielder, he'll have additional competition if Kenny signs a DH, and his health has been problematic recently.

 

Here’s how Bill James has us pegged for homeruns next year. Note: I don’t think Nix will be on the 25 man nor will Jones be a starter, and James tends to over predict. Not an exact assessment, but an assessment just the same. James has us landing around 188 homeruns.

AJ-14, Konerko-29, Beckham-21, Teahen-13, Ramirez-18, Q-30, Rios-16, Pierre-1, Jones-22(adjusted for playing time)-

Bench:

Nix-8, Kotsay-3, Flowers-12, Visquel-1

 

This seems a lot more reasonable to me, although I'm still not convinced that Jones will have enough plate appearances to hit 20+ HRs.

Edited December 15, 2009 by WCSox

[fathom]

I think there will be one more big move for a power bat... even if we have to trade Jenks to save $$$

 

Jenks is staying in Chicago. There's no market for him, as there's still guys like Valverde and Gonzalez left and not a lot of teams needing a closer.

[Harry Chappas]

I really hope it's Jordan Danks, but I could live with using Flowers as a main trade piece.

 

The OF is set for the next two years I think and there is no space this year with Kotsay and Jones. I think against some RHP you will see Kotsay lead-off and Pierre bat 9th.

 

 

[ChiSox_Sonix]

This seems a lot more reasonable to me, although I'm still not convinced that Jones will have enough plate appearances to hit 20+ HRs.

 

I dont see that happening either. I would bet between Rios/Teahen/Ramirez they combine for 5-10 more HR's than James predicts though.

[Harry Chappas]

Also KW is getting athletic versatile guys that have hit MLB pitching. While these moves are not sexy they give stability. Everyone he has picked up adds value something more than a couple of guys could not do last year that were on the roster.

 

[2nd_city_saint787]

seems as though quentin is another question mark you guys have wasnt it just his wrist the last 2 years other than that hes been fine, and the wrist was his fault. I see no reason why he cant stay healthy enough to hit 30... as far as the rogers center goes http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor/_/sort/HRFactor USCF is ranked 4th in the most HR friendly ballpark while the Rog is ranked 17th

[ThunderBolt]

I dont see that happening either. I would bet between Rios/Teahen/Ramirez they combine for 5-10 more HR's than James predicts though.

Something to note is that James predicts Jones to have 11 homeruns in about 206 AB’s. I simply averaged that with Jones’ career average in homeruns per 162 games (33) to adjust for playing time

[Chisoxfn]

Jenks is staying in Chicago. There's no market for him, as there's still guys like Valverde and Gonzalez left and not a lot of teams needing a closer.

The Mariners are building a team and have reportedly kicked the tires around Jenks. Phillies could do the same.

[BigSqwert]

The Mariners are building a team and have reportedly kicked the tires around Jenks. Phillies could do the same.

[YonderLaroche]

The Mariners are building a team and have reportedly kicked the tires around Jenks. Phillies could do the same.

 

Don't want trade Jenks but if his salary relief it gets us .300 hitter that get 100+ RBIs im all about it.. by sign or trade. With this current lineup I see Quentin (2008 Quentin with 600ABS) the only one that can sniff 100 RBI.

Edited December 15, 2009 by b-Rye

[fathom]

The Mariners are building a team and have reportedly kicked the tires around Jenks. Phillies could do the same.

 

I heard yesterday the Mariners were interested in Valverde, FWIW

[kane0730]

The B&B Show are going to rip this trade to shreds.

[NorthSideSox72]

Does anyone really trust Ozzie to put the correct guys in the 3 OF spots? I know I don't.

Ozzie and KW already both said Quentin is likely to go to right. That puts the OF's where they should be - Pierre in LF, Rios in CF, TCQ in RF.

 

[greg775]

The question is, is this guy better than Pods and if, so, by how much? On paper, I'd say no and he's as big a risk playing effectively on an everyday basis as Pods would have been.

All Pods did last year was get base hits.

Isn't this another guy KW has wanted a long time?

Should be interesting.

[Milkman delivers]

Are we convinced it's 2002?