White Sox acquire Juan Pierre

[elrockinMT]

You should care about his ISO, just completely writing off extra base hits from the top is just ridiculous. A double from your leadoff man can go a long way.

 

What happened in June? He put up a 1.000+ OPS in the first two months then fell off greatly in June, lost his starting job when Manny came back and put up his usual bad numbers as a part time player the rest of the way.

 

I'm sure he will put up a decent average and because of that and his "intangibles" (like his league worst arm) he'll garner quite a bit of love from the fan base, driving me insane.

 

 

I am not really a fan of this trade either. Apparently Pods desire to sign for two years or more sent the Sox in the this direction. I would have thought we would have saved money signing Pods, but all things being equal I reckon we have a lead off man now.

[Mattchoo]

I just heard Kenny has a guy in mind and he's in discussion to get him. I don't have anything more than that and anything else I add would be pure speculation.

 

I think he'll make one more hard push at Adrian Gonzalez, but I don't think San Diego is ready to let him go. I honestly don't know who it will be, but I got a sneaking suspicion it won't be anyone we have speculated too heavily about. There just aren't a lot of FA options out there, so you'd have to think the club is looking to go the way of a trade.

 

Awesome. I'm hoping one of the following: Adrian Gonzalez, Nick Markakis, or Carl Crawford. Is that too big?

 

 

 

[iamshack]

If Beckham hits 25 homers next year he is either juicing or hitting .250.

Didn't he hit 14 in 430 AB's or something?

 

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities...

[Paint it Black]

Awesome. I'm hoping one of the following: Adrian Gonzalez, Nick Markakis, or Carl Crawford. Is that too big?

No chance in Hell Baltimore trades Markakis.

[Mattchoo]

I only post what I hear from a probably 3rd hand source of info. Dont know about superior, but I think we'll see another trade.

 

Cool. I'm a long time die hard Sox fan, but I am new to this site

[Ranger]

Regarding the rotation, for the last time to clear things up. I like it, HOWEVER, I want to see Peavy actually stay healthy, ditto Garcia. I am not as high on Floyd and Hudson as most. A Buehrle disappeared after the perfect game. Just sayin'.

 

You're not really saying much of anything, really. We should put an end to the "Buehrle disappeared" myth now, I think. He had 2 to 3 poor starts after his streak of perfect innings. The rest of the way, he had 6 quality starts out of 10, and 2 of the other 4 were winnable starts. His ERA in September was 3.57 after having a tough August. He did not disappear after the perfect game and the facts support this.

 

Peavy will be fine. There is simply no good reason not to be excited about him. Hudson isn't in the rotation. And Garcia is a 5th starter (better than El Duque). Floyd? What about his last two years don't you like? All that good pitchin'?

 

It appears you're simply a pessimist, and you can't ever make a pessimist view reality in a normal way.

[Chisoxfn]

You should care about his ISO, just completely writing off extra base hits from the top is just ridiculous. A double from your leadoff man can go a long way.

 

What happened in June? He put up a 1.000+ OPS in the first two months then fell off greatly in June, lost his starting job when Manny came back and put up his usual bad numbers as a part time player the rest of the way.

 

I'm sure he will put up a decent average and because of that and his "intangibles" (like his league worst arm) he'll garner quite a bit of love from the fan base, driving me insane.

He had an awful June and a pretty horrendous September (as did a lot of the Dodgers). But he also had a strong April, a tremendous May, and a good August. And as a full time starter, he basically had one great month and one terrible month. All in all, it was a solid, but not great season.

 

And while Pierre doesn't hit doubles, he can turn singles into doubles with his feet. He's not the stealer he once was, but he's still pretty good and will likely run a lot more in Chicago than he did in LA.

 

I'd expect hope the Sox can get something similar to his 2007 season, with maybe a bit better OBP (but I'm being greedy and unrealistic there). Yes, they are mediocre numbers, but when you add in the stolen base numbers, it is acceptable at 4M a season.

[Mattchoo]

No chance in Hell Baltimore trades Markakis.

 

I know , but I haven't heard his name mentioned before so thought i'd throw it out there, haha

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Awesome. I'm hoping one of the following: Adrian Gonzalez, Nick Markakis, or Carl Crawford. Is that too big?

 

I highly doubt Baltimore considers trading Markakis.

[Paint it Black]

You're not really saying much of anything, really. We should put an end to the "Buehrle disappeared" myth now, I think. He had 2 to 3 poor starts after his streak of perfect innings. The rest of the way, he had 6 quality starts out of 10, and 2 of the other 4 were winnable starts. His ERA in September was 3.57 after having a tough August. He did not disappear after the perfect game and the facts support this.

 

Peavy will be fine. There is simply no good reason not to be excited about him. Hudson isn't in the rotation. And Garcia is a 5th starter (better than El Duque). Floyd? What about his last two years don't you like? All that good pitchin'?

 

It appears you're simply a pessimist, and you can't ever make a pessimist view reality in a normal way.

I retract my Buehrle statement, I looked up the numbers myself and agree.

 

I AM excited for Peavy, but still worried about the health. My Hudson point was that if Garcia/Peavy/anybody else get hurt, I am not high on him to step in. I actually like Garcia as a 5 BUT not sold he will stay healthy.

 

I guess my point is that there is no sense in arguing that the 2010 rotation is better than 2005 because on paper arguments are always silly.

[Friend of Nordhagen]

I don't really care what his ISO will be at the top of the order. I care about the things he can do. Is he perfect, absolutely not. Ideal, no, but for the amount the Sox are paying him this is a solid move.

 

Last season he was much much better than he had been the last couple of years and he did make some minor changes to his swing mechanics and approach and they apparently paid off big.

 

The stat outlook on these type of guys are always much much more negative than the reality. He isn't an all star, nor is he one of the 10 or 15 best leadoff hitters, but he's adequate, and will be one of the few guys on the squad capable of hitting for a high average, which is a nice change. There are a lot of things Juan can do that won't show up on the stat sheet.

 

On balance, I like the move. Nothing too studly, but it has its advantages -- and I give Williams credit for actually addressing his outfield this year, unlike past years when he's ignored it. Pierre is a remarkably consistent guy; some would say he's consistently mediocre, but he's decent in LF, a good hitter and he can run. On those nights when we're complaining about everyone swinging for the fences, he'll be trying to scratch out runs. I'd like his OBP and arm to be better, sure. But show me a guy who has holes in his game, and I'll show you every player in baseball. As for his SLG percentage, I simply don't care a whole lot. And the whole thing about him making a bunch of outs? Well, that will happen when you play every single game.

 

Is he better than Pods? Yeah, I guess so, and that's even assuming Pods could stay healthy. Granted, Pods got some big hits last year, which was great, but I don't think I've ever seen a dumber player than Scotty -- and he compromised our defense every time he crossed the foul lines. With our pitching staff, that's not so swell.

 

 

[WCSox]

Teahen has hit 18 before, and Rios has hit 24. I wouldn't put money on them hitting 20 and 25, but in our ballpark I wouldn't rule it out either.

 

There's a big difference between ruling out numbers and projecting realistic numbers.

 

Rios' production has slid over the past couple of years and he was downright awful in Chicago last summer. I'm just hoping that he can bounce back to his career average OPS next year, much less return to his '07 numbers. And as somebody has already stated, Quentin is far from a safe bet to stay healthy long enough to hit 30 dingers.

 

This offense has a chance to be decent next year, but projecting 200 HRs isn't very realistic.

 

[iamshack]

On balance, I like the move. Nothing too studly, but it has its advantages -- and I give Williams credit for actually addressing his outfield this year, unlike past years when he's ignored it. Pierre is a remarkably consistent guy; some would say he's consistently mediocre, but he's decent in LF, a good hitter and he can run. On those nights when we're complaining about everyone swinging for the fences, he'll be trying to scratch out runs. I'd like his OBP and arm to be better, sure. But show me a guy who has holes in his game, and I'll show you every player in baseball. As for his SLG percentage, I simply don't care a whole lot. And the whole thing about him making a bunch of outs? Well, that will happen when you play every single game.

 

The Hawk eh roo

[Chisoxfn]

You're not really saying much of anything, really. We should put an end to the "Buehrle disappeared" myth now, I think. He had 2 to 3 poor starts after his streak of perfect innings. The rest of the way, he had 6 quality starts out of 10, and 2 of the other 4 were winnable starts. His ERA in September was 3.57 after having a tough August. He did not disappear after the perfect game and the facts support this.

 

Peavy will be fine. There is simply no good reason not to be excited about him. Hudson isn't in the rotation. And Garcia is a 5th starter (better than El Duque). Floyd? What about his last two years don't you like? All that good pitchin'?

 

It appears you're simply a pessimist, and you can't ever make a pessimist view reality in a normal way.

Outside of Garcia, there is no denying the Sox rotation is strong. And the Sox have a great backup plan if Garcia isn't healthy. Heck, I don't think the Sox are actually counting on Freddy, they'll get what they can get out of him and than turn things over to Hudson in time, imo.

 

Unless Huddy gets dealt. If Huddy is dealt, the Sox will have very little starting pitching depth in the upper levels of there farm system. Or at least very few, if any guys, that have value or upside. The next set of quality starting pitching arms are young, high school arms that are at least a few years away.

 

It is why I fully expect the Sox to grab the best available starting pitcher in the June draft and they should have a great selection of arms to pick from.

[Chisoxfn]

I retract my Buehrle statement, I looked up the numbers myself and agree.

 

I AM excited for Peavy, but still worried about the health. My Hudson point was that if Garcia/Peavy/anybody else get hurt, I am not high on him to step in. I actually like Garcia as a 5 BUT not sold he will stay healthy.

 

I guess my point is that there is no sense in arguing that the 2010 rotation is better than 2005 because on paper arguments are always silly.

Peavy had a non-pitching injury and than suffered from a line drive off his elbow in a rehab start. While he's had some soreness in his arm, what pitcher hasn't. He has a great arm and will be the best pitcher the Sox have had in years, imo.

[RockRaines]

IMO, we'll be saying goodbye to at least one of our top prospects before this winter is over.

[southsider2k5]

IMO, we'll be saying goodbye to at least one of our top prospects before this winter is over.

 

It wouldn't be a Kenny Williams off-season without it!

[Friend of Nordhagen]

The Hawk eh roo

 

You're right. I've just channeled Hawk, and I'm absolutely terrified.

 

[fathom]

IMO, we'll be saying goodbye to at least one of our top prospects before this winter is over.

 

I really hope it's Jordan Danks, but I could live with using Flowers as a main trade piece.

[bmags]

we probably shouldn't deride career years. Frankly, in our dominating years of 2000 and 2005 in terms of regular season, everything came together and a LOT of guys had career years. In 2008, a few did as well.

 

Really, for us to win the division people are going to have to be great, not average, and things need to fit into place. Hopefully it happens early. In both 2000 and 2005, you knew it was on right away. Unfortunately 2006 it faded mightily.

[Chisoxfn]

It wouldn't be a Kenny Williams off-season without it!

I will say this, from a depth stand-point, the club would be better suited giving up positional prospects since they have so little depth when it comes to starting pitching prospects.

 

Viciedo, Danks, Flowers, Mitchell are four guys to get excited for, imo.

[Chisoxfn]

Sox Acquire Juan Pierre From Dodgers

[southsider2k5]

I will say this, from a depth stand-point, the club would be better suited giving up positional prospects since they have so little depth when it comes to starting pitching prospects.

 

Viciedo, Danks, Flowers, Mitchell are four guys to get excited for, imo.

 

I can't see them dealing Viciedo yet, with the money they sunk into him. The rest of them, who knows.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

I can't see them dealing Viciedo yet, with the money they sunk into him. The rest of them, who knows.

 

Yeah i don't see him going anywhere either. Also since several publications are souring on him due to his "down" year at the ripe old age of 20.

[hogan873]

Prior to last season it had been 5 years since he had last come within 15 points of his career OBP, his career numbers are moot at this point. He's not even close to the same hitter he was in the middle part of the decade when he was putting up OBPs north of .360, making up for the terrible OBP and slugging numbers he's been putting up in the 2nd half of the decade.

 

There are plent of early to mid 30 year old hitters with good to terrific career numbers that you would want no where near your team.

 

Fine, point taken. But Pods for the same money?