RockRaines Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Dec 21, 2009 -> 09:39 PM) I stared at two plasmas at work for years and they were horrible. They were replaced with Sharp Aquos TV's. SO old plasmas are indicative of the technology today? Nice work. Clearly those two that you stared at are all that are offered to consumers. Funny considering Sharp aquos LCD's are not even a very good brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Real @ Dec 21, 2009 -> 10:00 PM) Plasmas have their own downsides as well (image retention, possible burn-in if you're careless, phosphor lag, screen glare due to a glass screen) Plasmas do have a glare issue if you're the type that cant stare through an image, but instead stare at the surface of the image. Any glass screen will do this -- I don't have this problem, so I don't notice it. My iMac is similar. After using a glass screen I can never go back to the dull matte screens again. I love glossy screens, they produce a better image. Plasmas don't really have many burn in issues anymore unless you are beyond careless. Most modern plasmas come with pixel shift technologies that shift images around the screen without the users noticing every X number of minutes, preventing images from causing burnin. Phosphor lag is also a thing of the past. My plasma is .001 ms response...no LCD or LED comes close to that kind of response time. This is why fast motion looks superior on plasmas, it can actually keep up with the images on the screen. Edited December 22, 2009 by Y2HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 22, 2009 -> 08:52 AM) Phosphor lag is also a thing of the past. My plasma is .001 ms response...no LCD or LED comes close to that kind of response time. This is why fast motion looks superior on plasmas, it can actually keep up with the images on the screen. I see phosphor lag when I shift my eyes quickly from left to right, when there's a dark image on the screen with some bright white somewhere near the center or off-center, i see bright yellow "trails" I found it interesting because I also see the RGB rainbow trail effect on single processor DLPs, and some people don't/can't see that effect, so I'm marking it down to my eyes being more sensitive Also about the Pixel shifting, it doesn't work when you're using the screen as a secondary monitor via DVI>HDMI cable Only when you're using a true HDCP-compliant HDMI source like PS3, or watching cable. I still run the scrolling bars pattern after I finish playing a long game of Supreme Commander or whatever else game just to erase the temporary IR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 QUOTE (Real @ Dec 22, 2009 -> 09:40 AM) I see phosphor lag when I shift my eyes quickly from left to right, when there's a dark image on the screen with some bright white somewhere near the center or off-center, i see bright yellow "trails" I found it interesting because I also see the RGB rainbow trail effect on single processor DLPs, and some people don't/can't see that effect, so I'm marking it down to my eyes being more sensitive Also about the Pixel shifting, it doesn't work when you're using the screen as a secondary monitor via DVI>HDMI cable Only when you're using a true HDCP-compliant HDMI source like PS3, or watching cable. I still run the scrolling bars pattern after I finish playing a long game of Supreme Commander or whatever else game just to erase the temporary IR How new is your set? I have the new Samsung Series 8 Plasma and I've seen no effects from my xbox, etc. And my eyes are pretty sensitive having better than 20/20 vision -- but I still don't see these image flaws your seeing. Perhaps my eyes refresh rate is so much higher than yours I don't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 22, 2009 -> 06:52 AM) Plasmas do have a glare issue if you're the type that cant stare through an image, but instead stare at the surface of the image. Any glass screen will do this -- I don't have this problem, so I don't notice it. My iMac is similar. After using a glass screen I can never go back to the dull matte screens again. I love glossy screens, they produce a better image. Plasmas don't really have many burn in issues anymore unless you are beyond careless. Most modern plasmas come with pixel shift technologies that shift images around the screen without the users noticing every X number of minutes, preventing images from causing burnin. Phosphor lag is also a thing of the past. My plasma is .001 ms response...no LCD or LED comes close to that kind of response time. This is why fast motion looks superior on plasmas, it can actually keep up with the images on the screen. Plus doesn't the burn in issue go away anyway if you run a program on the new plasma's which will undo any burn-in's. This program is on-top of the pixel shifting that the TV's do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Bought a 32" Vizio 1080p today for $398 at WalMart. It was only $30 more than the 780 version, so we splurged. Some of the non-HD channels look better than I've seen on other HDTV's. Unfortunately, the locals here don't seem to like 1080. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 22, 2009 -> 10:18 AM) How new is your set? I have the new Samsung Series 8 Plasma and I've seen no effects from my xbox, etc. And my eyes are pretty sensitive having better than 20/20 vision -- but I still don't see these image flaws your seeing. Perhaps my eyes refresh rate is so much higher than yours I don't see it. Mine is a 6-series, 2009 model year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share Posted December 28, 2009 Haven't gotten the tv yet, but something has me worried by watching large LCD tvs at the homes of friends and family. It's hard to describe but the picture on movies is weird. I'm not sure it's a bad thing, maybe my eyes aren't used to it. But the flow seems weird. It's almost like everything was shot on a handheld camera. Or that it's trying to do everything in 3d or something. The strange effect was evident during a television broadcast of the most recent Die Hard movie and a Blu-Ray copy of The Perfect Getaway starring Milla Jovovich. Both were on large LCD televisions around 46 inches. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Are the settings wrong on the tv? Or are my eyes just not used to it? Other people watching the movies noticed the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Were you watching wide screen or full screen format? Sometimes in wide screen, you get that "shift" effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share Posted December 28, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 28, 2009 -> 12:13 AM) Were you watching wide screen or full screen format? Sometimes in wide screen, you get that "shift" effect. I can't remember what the Perfect Getaway had. But I remember that the Die Hard still had the black bars on the top and bottom of the screen. I thought it was weird that a widescreen tv still needed the bars. And someone I was watching with thought that was what might be creating the trippy effect as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Dec 28, 2009 -> 12:09 AM) Haven't gotten the tv yet, but something has me worried by watching large LCD tvs at the homes of friends and family. It's hard to describe but the picture on movies is weird. I'm not sure it's a bad thing, maybe my eyes aren't used to it. But the flow seems weird. It's almost like everything was shot on a handheld camera. Or that it's trying to do everything in 3d or something. The strange effect was evident during a television broadcast of the most recent Die Hard movie and a Blu-Ray copy of The Perfect Getaway starring Milla Jovovich. Both were on large LCD televisions around 46 inches. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Are the settings wrong on the tv? Or are my eyes just not used to it? Other people watching the movies noticed the same thing. Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about. I've never had that problem with my 40" Sony LCD at home, though. Maybe they're leaving the TVs on the overly-sharp, overly-bright store settings. There's good info out there on calibrating your TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 28, 2009 -> 06:51 AM) Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about. I've never had that problem with my 40" Sony LCD at home, though. Maybe they're leaving the TVs on the overly-sharp, overly-bright store settings. There's good info out there on calibrating your TV. their aspect settings may not be set right as well. Some people just plug and play without checking if its configured correctly. Also not having the correct cables are an issue as well. I have a friend who told me HD was a farce until I noticed that he didnt use HDMI cables for his HD. And calibration is key. The factory settings of some TVs are terrible, go to the avnet forums and follow one of their threads on your particular tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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