simba43 Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 01:29 PM) Bottom line is, we need a serious hitter. A star player. We clearly can't afford one, so it'll have to come via trade. I still think there's a chance Jenks goes. I think they got Putz so he could set up Thornton. Freddy Dolsi could fill the missing short relief spot. Ideally, they get someone to overpay for Linebrink instead, but that's just wishful thinking. yes we do need a real hitter . its sad that we can't find a way to spend 6 to 8 mil on a good player . well we could try to trade for Josh Hamilton he is cheap and i believe under team control for a couple more years . yeah he is a risk but he is a real talented player . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 QUOTE (1977 sox fan @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 09:39 AM) yes we do need a real hitter . its sad that we can't find a way to spend 6 to 8 mil on a good player . well we could try to trade for Josh Hamilton he is cheap and i believe under team control for a couple more years . yeah he is a risk but he is a real talented player . Hamilton and Quentin have similar question marks about health. The question is would the sox trade one risk for another risk? Would the Rangers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 QUOTE (beck72 @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 05:55 AM) Hamilton and Quentin have similar question marks about health. The question is would the sox trade one risk for another risk? Would the Rangers? And that would solve absolutely none of our problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (beck72 @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 04:55 AM) Hamilton and Quentin have similar question marks about health. The question is would the sox trade one risk for another risk? Would the Rangers? I dont see where he is indicating the Sox should trade Quentin for Hamilton. The question is, why would the Rangers trade a guy who has already shown the talent behind the potential, and is cheap, and is under team control for a while? It makes no sense, Hamilton would only be available for a good haul, and I dont think the Sox would want to give up that haul. Edited December 19, 2009 by KyYlE23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 11:29 PM) Bottom line is, we need a serious hitter. A star player. We clearly can't afford one, so it'll have to come via trade. I still think there's a chance Jenks goes. I think they got Putz so he could set up Thornton. Freddy Dolsi could fill the missing short relief spot. Ideally, they get someone to overpay for Linebrink instead, but that's just wishful thinking. We're not getting anything remotely close to a star for Jenks, if we were to trade him. His trade value is shot. If this were 2007, we could get a killing. But between his declining performance/stuff, escalating salary, weight/conditioning issues (Ozzie and KW being so vocal about the weight/conditioning certainly doesn't help), there's no market for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 QUOTE (1977 sox fan @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 03:39 AM) yes we do need a real hitter . its sad that we can't find a way to spend 6 to 8 mil on a good player . well we could try to trade for Josh Hamilton he is cheap and i believe under team control for a couple more years . yeah he is a risk but he is a real talented player . I agree, id love to get hamilton, but I don't think we can without opening another hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 08:39 AM) I dont see where he is indicating the Sox should trade Quentin for Hamilton. The question is, why would the Rangers trade a guy who has already shown the talent behind the potential, and is cheap, and is under team control for a while? It makes no sense, Hamilton would only be available for a good haul, and I dont think the Sox would want to give up that haul. I'd rather have Q than H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I wouldn't touch him. Even though he'd be a typical White Sox acquisition. A once productive player who's fallen off the map due to injuries, ect. Agreed. We need to sign some guys who will sell tickets and generate some buzz. I guess Jerry was right; our big free agents were Peavy and Rios. We're just landing role guys to surround those big acquisitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 04:48 PM) Agreed. We need to sign some guys who will sell tickets and generate some buzz. I guess Jerry was right; our big free agents were Peavy and Rios. We're just landing role guys to surround those big acquisitions. The win column sells tickets for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 07:28 PM) The win column sells tickets for the Sox. Correct. I just hope if they start winning at the onset of the season, it doesn't take 4 months to start filling the park. The better they do with attendance, the more flexibility they'll have at the deadline if they need some help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 04:48 PM) Agreed. We need to sign some guys who will sell tickets and generate some buzz. I guess Jerry was right; our big free agents were Peavy and Rios. We're just landing role guys to surround those big acquisitions. The tone would be different if Peavy had been acquired during the offseason. There would be a lot more buzz, I think. But since it happened in the middle of a season that turned out poorly, some of the excitement has worn off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 QUOTE (Ranger @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 08:32 PM) The tone would be different if Peavy had been acquired during the offseason. There would be a lot more buzz, I think. But since it happened in the middle of a season that turned out poorly, some of the excitement has worn off. Which is ridiculous, considering how well the guy pitched for us in his 3 starts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 08:34 PM) Which is ridiculous, considering how well the guy pitched for us in his 3 starts... You're right, but it's the old recency effect. People are usually greatly affected by events that occur recently. I think some people have had time to let the Peavy excitement wear off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 QUOTE (Ranger @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 08:49 PM) You're right, but it's the old recency effect. People are usually greatly affected by events that occur recently. I think some people have had time to let the Peavy excitement wear off. Eh.. people still get their shots in with Alex Rios on this board still. Not sayin it's right.. but just sayin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 The tone would be different if Peavy had been acquired during the offseason. There would be a lot more buzz, I think. But since it happened in the middle of a season that turned out poorly, some of the excitement has worn off. That is true. If we got Peavy and Rios in the offseason there would be a huge buzz. Rios was a disaster last season but Peavy was amazing in his few starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 QUOTE (Ranger @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 08:49 PM) You're right, but it's the old recency effect. People are usually greatly affected by events that occur recently. I think some people have had time to let the Peavy excitement wear off. I think its also because peavy pitched so well and we still lost it in the end. Its just tough because I think we're SO close. I mean if we could just add that solid dh, we'd really be co ntenders. Honestly, the juan pierre move, I think, was the best move we could have made given the circumstances. The starting pitching is top notch, no questions. The bullpen, all things considered, is solid. Its not without its holes but iits definitely AL central competitive. The lineup has a ton of potential, even though there's a huge if-factor. We just need that one proven bat for dh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simba43 Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 09:39 PM) I dont see where he is indicating the Sox should trade Quentin for Hamilton. The question is, why would the Rangers trade a guy who has already shown the talent behind the potential, and is cheap, and is under team control for a while? It makes no sense, Hamilton would only be available for a good haul, and I dont think the Sox would want to give up that haul. the reason i feel they might trade him is because he had a down year also he was hurt and he is a risk . also if you look the Rangers have a lot of OFS even in there system there deep especially left handed hitters . but i admit it would cost us something but he would still be cheaper then UPTON and much more cheaper then AGON . i admit i don't know his true value and if say Hudson and another prospect could do it or is Hudson to much to trade but i do think we can get him for a package of prospects . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simba43 Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 anyway i just hope we get a good left handed power bat .because i look at this line up and im just depressed by what i see in terms of a actual lineup. i think i have made 25 different lineups and none look that great . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simba43 Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 LF Pierre 2b Beckham we don't really have another player that can hit 2nd ? AJ UGH Rameris no patience. Teahen ? RF CQ Rather put Beckham 3rd and Q 4TH BUT . I seen some with AJ but i can't see it . 1B Konerko i don't like it but who else ? Again AJ Teahen maybe jones if he is DHING C AJ I REALLY don't like it but Ozzie won't bat 4 righties in a row so ? maybe Teahen CF Rios or maybe Rameris 3B Teahen DH Jones funny our DH BATTING 8TH or 9th could be a sign of strength . but in our case more of a sign of weakness . we could bat alexi here SS Ramires no matter who we DH most likely he will bat 8th or 9th so except for our leadoff spot our lineup just seems out of place were missing that one impact bat that real number 3 or 4 hitter and we don't have any real left handed power and when we play the Red sox an especially the Yankees we really need that so i really hope our GM WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 QUOTE (Ranger @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 08:32 PM) The tone would be different if Peavy had been acquired during the offseason. There would be a lot more buzz, I think. But since it happened in the middle of a season that turned out poorly, some of the excitement has worn off. This place would be going crazy if we got Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 09:03 PM) Eh.. people still get their shots in with Alex Rios on this board still. Not sayin it's right.. but just sayin... Well, yeah, but people don't have short memories when it comes to sucking. They'll always remember the failures. Excitement over something positive, though, tends to wear off more quickly than does frustration over something negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 19, 2009 -> 09:03 PM) Eh.. people still get their shots in with Alex Rios on this board still. Not sayin it's right.. but just sayin... Rios will not repeat his 2009 next year. I don't know how close he will get to career norms, but he isn't going to be horrible again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 QUOTE (Ranger @ Dec 20, 2009 -> 10:50 AM) Well, yeah, but people don't have short memories when it comes to sucking. They'll always remember the failures. Excitement over something positive, though, tends to wear off more quickly than does frustration over something negative. Exactly. I call it FADS: Fan Attention Deficit Syndrome. The perception of positive moves only last until the next time you lose a game. But perceived negative moves last forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 20, 2009 -> 10:51 AM) Rios will not repeat his 2009 next year. I don't know how close he will get to career norms, but he isn't going to be horrible again. I'd take his final totals as long as he plays plus defense in CF which I'm sure he will. Sox fans remember his poor play for us, even though he really picked it up at the end. He hit .333 / 2HR / 5 RBI / 3SB over his last 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Dec 20, 2009 -> 11:59 AM) I'd take his final totals as long as he plays plus defense in CF which I'm sure he will. For that kind of money...I want at least an .800 OPS out of him. There's no reason why we can't get better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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