Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (sircaffey @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 12:15 AM) No it's not. The bullpen is slightly more influential than pinch hitting. The Cubs pen has already cost them a number of games/opportunities. There would be no point in moving a SP to the pen who couldn't be a good RP. Add to it that Zambrano has completely sucked in the rotation and everyone else has been great makes it that more obvious. This situation is funny to me, and a complete f***-up by Hendry, but this absolutely the correct move, imo. And at no point did Lou say this was permanent. I'm sure it's just an experiment. I think it's worth a shot. A slightly above NL league average starter, which is pretty much what Zambrano has been the last 2+ years, or a potential dynamite set-up man to get the ball to Marmol? I say go for it. The money he's making doesn't matter. He gets that regardless. Of course, if Carlos Silva and Tom Gorzelanny go back to being Carlos Silva and Tom Gorzelanny, they'll have to move him back to the rotation. But outside of the Phillies, Cardinals and the NL west, the NL is so bad they might be able to get away with having those two bums in the rotation all year. Edited April 22, 2010 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 (edited) I want to jump in before all the good hyperbolic (But very true) statements are taken. Here we go, this might be the single most illogical baseball move I have ever seen. What the Cubs have done is shown panic on a level that was (heretofore) unparalleled, and they have effectively nullified any credibility they had left as a competitive organization. Small sample sizes be damned, you don't take you're #1 starter, traditionally slow going in April and boot him to the pen for Carlos Silva. There is no defending this move. Edited April 22, 2010 by Thunderbolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (sircaffey @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 12:15 AM) No it's not. The bullpen is slightly more influential than pinch hitting. The Cubs pen has already cost them a number of games/opportunities. Yes, but Zambrano is not going to fix the entire bullpen. He's going to pitch 1 or 2 innings per appearance. And then it will take a while to stretch him back out when they inevitably need him back in the starting rotation. He was fine in his last start - 6 innings, 2 runs. You do not take a good starter and halve his innings. That is not a good baseball move. Edited April 22, 2010 by JorgeFabregas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 The Cubs early season schedule is so easy, I think they freaked out that if they fall far back of STL now, theres no chance to come back when it gets tough. After the opening series vs. the Braves, they don't play another team with serious playoff aspirations until May 17. Seriously, unless Cy Silva battles Lincecum & Roy for the award and Gorzelanny becomes at least Ted Lilly 2, this is such a dumb move. Thats even if Z becomes the best set up guy in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 10:14 AM) Yes, but Zambrano is not going to fix the entire bullpen. He's going to pitch 1 or 2 innings per appearance. And then it will take a while to stretch him back out when they inevitably need him back in the starting rotation. He was fine in his last start - 6 innings, 2 runs. You do not take a good starter and halve his innings. That is not a good baseball move. I think he threw 122 pitches in those 6 innings. He might be better as a closer. I would think this move is only temporary. It seems like Lou is pushing the panic button. To me that's like the Sox puttin Peavy in the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 The odd thing about this move is if it was for the good of the team Wells or Dempster would be moved to the pen. This is just odd to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 I am thinking the Cubs hope it would piss Carlos off enough to ask for a trade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 02:17 PM) I am thinking the Cubs hope it would piss Carlos off enough to ask for a trade... possibly, but again, he is done a huge chunk of change and the Cubs would likely have to eat a high portion of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 02:16 PM) The odd thing about this move is if it was for the good of the team Wells or Dempster would be moved to the pen. This is just odd to me. Why would you move guys who have been good at going 6+ innings to the pen for the good of the team? The point of moving Zambrano is to motivate him, get him back on track, improve the bullpen, and, in the very, very short-term, improve the rotation. Moving Wells or Dempster to the bullpen would be like moving Danks to the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 10:44 PM) Why would you move guys who have been good at going 6+ innings to the pen for the good of the team? The point of moving Zambrano is to motivate him, get him back on track, improve the bullpen, and, in the very, very short-term, improve the rotation. Moving Wells or Dempster to the bullpen would be like moving Danks to the bullpen. Not to mention Dempster has already failed as a RP, and Zambrano is the only SP with reliever stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (sircaffey @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 01:11 AM) Not to mention Dempster has already failed as a RP, and Zambrano is the only SP with reliever stuff. He has a 4.48 career ERA as a starter and a 4.11 career ERA as a Reliever. He has a .686 OPS against him as a reliever and .767 against him as a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 "Meteorologists have determined that the dust cloud that is now spreading over Europe and delaying International travel was not from the volcanic eruption in Iceland , but are now interviewing the person responsible for cleaning the Chicago Cubs trophy case" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 08:00 AM) He has a 4.48 career ERA as a starter and a 4.11 career ERA as a Reliever. He has a .686 OPS against him as a reliever and .767 against him as a starter. It's always good to make moves today based on things that happened 5-10 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (sircaffey @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 12:11 AM) Not to mention Dempster has already failed as a RP, and Zambrano is the only SP with reliever stuff. In 06 he definitely sucked it up, but in 05 he was 33 for 35 in saves, and in 07 he was 28 for 31. I don't know if I would call that a failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 10:59 AM) In 06 he definitely sucked it up, but in 05 he was 33 for 35 in saves, and in 07 he was 28 for 31. I don't know if I would call that a failure. He was 3-16, with ERAs and WHIPs of 4.80/1.51 and 4.72/1.34 in his last 2 seasons as a RP. That's pretty awful to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (sircaffey @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 11:25 AM) He was 3-16, with ERAs and WHIPs of 4.80/1.51 and 4.72/1.34 in his last 2 seasons as a RP. That's pretty awful to me. Seriously. And in his "good" seasons as a reliever (04-05...3.28 ERA over 112.2 IP), his WHIP has been 1.43. That's pretty terrible for a reliever, and considering his K/9 was under 9 during that time, it proves that it was unsustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 The Brewers pitching is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Apr 25, 2010 -> 08:23 PM) The Brewers pitching is terrible. Yep, Cubs lucked out not getting Gallardo or Wolf this series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 The one team the Cubs seem to be able to consistently punk is the Brewers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Apr 25, 2010 -> 02:23 PM) The Brewers pitching is terrible. Jeff Suppan's 4 year, $42 million contract = highway robbery. Brewers just took him out of the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 This dude should be the idol of all Cubs fans http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7695107 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 09:42 PM) This dude should be the idol of all Cubs fans http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7695107 What a toss! Did Henry Rowengartner move to Baltimore??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 09:42 PM) This dude should be the idol of all Cubs fans http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7695107 guy's got an arm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 Wow, D-Backs currently up on the Cubs 13-1 in the 7th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 29, 2010 -> 03:27 PM) Wow, D-Backs currently up on the Cubs 13-1 in the 7th. Lilly was throwing beachballs. But Kudos to the Cubs fans who were pelting 3 guys in Canucks jerseys with peanuts and beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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