chw42 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 03:13 PM) On average, it was a full run, or close to 0.9 runs, something like that. After searching a bit more, it seems like it depends a lot on who does the analysis. Here's the NYT quoting 0.9 runs, , here's hardballtimes quoting 0.41 runs. I would agree with HBT more...they're more sabermetrically oriented. Edited June 9, 2010 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 03:31 PM) It looks like the former one took only the 57 starters that had at least 20 starts (ie the relatively competent) while the latter used everyone (414 for his purposes). I would imagine that if you truly and completely suck, the difference in leagues doesn't affect your results a whole lot (just a theory though). The latter also used multi-year statistics, which probably eliminates some of the variation. A 57 person sample size is a bit small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 10:03 PM) A 57 person sample size is a bit small. Then again, there's not that many people moving leagues every year who you can really count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Colvin continues to be far and away the best young player in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Wasn't Castro just batting .330 or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:24 PM) Wasn't Castro just batting .330 or something? He's now hitting .272. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:28 PM) He's now hitting .272. I saw that. He must be in a major slump or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Way to jinx it Brian, as his hit in the 9th contributed to the go-ahead run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 The Cubs to the Brewers as to: The Pirates to the Cubs The Indians to the White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 McGehee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:43 PM) McGehee! What a year he's having. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:43 PM) McGehee! That was part of my plan. Jinx it to Castro contributes so the Brewers would break their hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 9, 2010 -> 02:44 AM) What a year he's having. I love his approach at the plate. Him and Hart have some great productivity this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:50 PM) I love his approach at the plate. Him and Hart have some great productivity this season. If only they could produce pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 10:54 PM) If only they could produce pitchers. Gallardo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Wow, Marmol finally blew a save. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:58 PM) Gallardo? That's one. Nowhere near the success they've had with hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 02:57 PM) So a mediocre AL pitcher (4.50 ERA) can become a #1 or #2 in the NL (3.50 ERA)? I think a half run is a better estimation. Ted Lilly called and said yes it can happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 03:31 PM) It looks like the former one took only the 57 starters that had at least 20 starts (ie the relatively competent) while the latter used everyone (414 for his purposes). I would imagine that if you truly and completely suck, the difference in leagues doesn't affect your results a whole lot (just a theory though). The latter also used multi-year statistics, which probably eliminates some of the variation. Silva disagrees with this theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 I think it is tough to truly rate Silva. He has had success in the AL before, and he got paid, then got fat and happy. He absolutely sucked in a Mariners uniform, but the guy was in a revolving buffet line the entire time he was there. He looks like he took the offseason seriously this year and showed up to Cubs camp in shape, and he looks like a totally different pitcher now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 9, 2010 -> 11:44 AM) I think it is tough to truly rate Silva. He has had success in the AL before, and he got paid, then got fat and happy. He absolutely sucked in a Mariners uniform, but the guy was in a revolving buffet line the entire time he was there. He looks like he took the offseason seriously this year and showed up to Cubs camp in shape, and he looks like a totally different pitcher now. In his 4 seasons in Minnesota, he had one awful year, but his other 3 seasons had ERAs of 4.21, 3.44, & 4.19. That averages to just under 4, subtract one run due to the league switch and it puts him where he is now. I don't see him finishing under 3, but I think the combo of the switch to the NL along with him actually giving a f*** again, makes his comeback somewhat real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 10:24 PM) That's one. Nowhere near the success they've had with hitters. And they won't with Maddux gone for Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Cards can't seem to beat any of the good teams in the NL. Swept by the Dodgers. They desperately need another starting pitcher and might need another 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 9, 2010 -> 11:59 PM) Cards can't seem to beat any of the good teams in the NL. Swept by the Dodgers. They desperately need another starting pitcher and might need another 2B. Buehrle and Lillibridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jun 10, 2010 -> 01:02 AM) Buehrle and Lillibridge. Vizquel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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