kitekrazy Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 11, 2010 -> 05:50 PM) Before he came up, they had talked about the high amount of errors he was making in the minors. I think he has really great range and can make some unbelievable plays, but is prone to simple errors. Kinda like the shortstop across town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 I don't care what anyone says. And this pains me greatly to say this. But when Carlos Marmol is throwing strikes, he's the most untouchable non-starter in baseball. That includes Rivera, Broxton. Anybody. 33 Ks in 16 IP? That's like a K/9 of 19 or some s***. That's beyond video game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ May 10, 2010 -> 08:10 PM) 3 errors for the golden boy tonight. It doesn't look like Castro was a good defensive player in the minors either: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/p...id=castro001sta 2009 - almost 40 errors in 119 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ May 12, 2010 -> 08:13 PM) It doesn't look like Castro was a good defensive player in the minors either: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/p...id=castro001sta 2009 - almost 40 errors in 119 games. The perfect White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (sircaffey @ May 11, 2010 -> 07:35 PM) Ehh...When he turned 20 he was in the mist of a season in which he committed 32 errors, so I wouldn't say he was refined at that moment. Wow! I believe if your major deficiency is defensive to begin with, all of the instruction in the world will not change that at the minor league level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ May 13, 2010 -> 09:30 AM) Wow! I believe if your major deficiency is defensive to begin with, all of the instruction in the world will not change that at the minor league level. This is just not the case. Joe Crede made a lot of errors in his minor league career, and Robin Ventura did the same, as I recall. They both developed into elite defenders. Dude is 20 with loads of talent, so he has a very good chance of improving defensively. Defenders aren't "born". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ May 13, 2010 -> 09:25 AM) The perfect White Sox. Except on the current White Sox squad, only Teahen is a true defensive liability. TCQ, when he is actually on the field, is below average. The rest are average or better. So not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Well, Starlin's replacement is already in the works: http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/05/10/full-sc...-ju-lee/?synd=1 In this article, Hak-Ju Lee is compared to the Mets Jose Reyes. His biggest weakness is hitting, but he's got great speed and defense. He's touted as being a future gold glover, but hey, it's not like we haven't been lied to before...lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 At a boy, Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 QUOTE (Brian @ May 14, 2010 -> 04:12 PM) At a boy, Z In 8.2 IP as a reliever his numbers look like this: 1.96 WHIP 6.23 ERA, 6 inherited runners/ 3 scored. Awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 14, 2010 -> 04:22 PM) In 8.2 IP as a reliever his numbers look like this: 1.96 WHIP 6.23 ERA, 6 inherited runners/ 3 scored. Awful. He's going to blow up to the media, in the clubhouse, or both in the not too distant future if this idiotic experiment isn't ended soon. Not that he was much better as a starter though. I'd imagine Gorzelanny will be headed to the bullpen soon. They don't need another lefty down there (although they could use anybody that can get outs), but he's really the only logical guy to move. Edited May 14, 2010 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 14, 2010 -> 04:22 PM) In 8.2 IP as a reliever his numbers look like this: 1.96 WHIP 6.23 ERA, 6 inherited runners/ 3 scored. Awful. Doubt it matter but when he starts an inning, he pitches from the stretch off the bat. I would ditch that. I love McCutchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 QUOTE (Brian @ May 14, 2010 -> 04:35 PM) Doubt it matter but when he starts an inning, he pitches from the stretch off the bat. I would ditch that. I love McCutchen I thought he or Hanson should've won the ROY last year. He's electric to watch (and really the only reason to watch a Pirates game along with Alvarez when he comes up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord chas Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 always liked garrett jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 QUOTE (lord chas @ May 14, 2010 -> 06:22 PM) always liked garrett jones Annnnnd, i sat him on my fantasy team today. Good thing I played Starlin and DLEE. Garbage. Its only a matter of time until Zambrano is found beating someone up in the clubhouse, he's going to explode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 Zambrano's fastball is way down. Not topping 90 mph today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ May 14, 2010 -> 08:09 PM) Zambrano's fastball is way down. Not topping 90 mph today. On B&B today they said he topped out at either 84 or 85. Something's wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 14, 2010 -> 08:16 PM) On B&B today they said he topped out at either 84 or 85. Something's wrong. That makes sense on why they sent him to the pen if they were trying to prolong the obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 QUOTE (lord chas @ May 14, 2010 -> 06:22 PM) always liked garrett jones He is pretty good and gets no love. Will probably always be underrated by most people except die hard fans and Pirate fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 14, 2010 -> 11:31 PM) That makes sense on why they sent him to the pen if they were trying to prolong the obvious. Of course, some pitchers woulnd't react as well to the pen and having only a day or so rest between outings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 Listened to the last inning on AM 720 yesterday. Ron Santo is f***ed! I mean, he has always been goofy and out of it, but he had no idea what was going on. He was trying to quiz Pat on recent Cubs playoff series hits leader, and nobody even knew what the hell he was talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 15, 2010 -> 08:55 AM) Listened to the last inning on AM 720 yesterday. Ron Santo is f***ed! I mean, he has always been goofy and out of it, but he had no idea what was going on. He was trying to quiz Pat on recent Cubs playoff series hits leader, and nobody even knew what the hell he was talking about. I've always said that Pat Hughes deserves twice of whatever they're paying him to carry that numbskull. Santo is only worth listening to when the Cubs lose an important game. Plus, he's a real asshole, so I never want them to win while he's around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 QUOTE (The Critic @ May 15, 2010 -> 09:01 AM) I've always said that Pat Hughes deserves twice of whatever they're paying him to carry that numbskull. Santo is only worth listening to when the Cubs lose an important game. Plus, he's a real asshole, so I never want them to win while he's around. It's a damn shame that he has to work with that clown because Pat Hughes is really a hell of an announcer. Unfortunately having to work along side a man with the mind of a 10 year old drags him down a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 The Cubs are now 0-5 against the Pirates this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 It's hard to savor the Cubs being awful what with the Sox being even worse. Still, i'll do my best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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