Tim Tebow to appear in anti-abortion Super Bowl ad

[GoSox05]

I think we should hold judgement. If the commercial is simply choose life and family...is that so wrong? I could see if they're showing embryos or something, but if it's in good taste and is simply a matter of choose life, why is that bad. If your pro choice does that mean you push for and encourage abortions?? I'm not sure what the issue here is, when we don't even know what the commercial is about. If it was some shock and awe pro life campaign, I would suspect it wouldn't get approved and it shouldn't.

 

It's not the commercial I have a problem with. Its the group that is airing it.

[southsideirish71]

I think we should hold judgement. If the commercial is simply choose life and family...is that so wrong? I could see if they're showing embryos or something, but if it's in good taste and is simply a matter of choose life, why is that bad. If your pro choice does that mean you push for and encourage abortions?? I'm not sure what the issue here is, when we don't even know what the commercial is about. If it was some shock and awe pro life campaign, I would suspect it wouldn't get approved and it shouldn't.

 

I would consider myself for the most part pro-life. My issue with this is impact of a superbowl ad over using the money for more urgent purposes. I would say that Tim would get the same message out and press if he said we were planning on purchasing an ad to promote Life however it is needed more to save lives today so we are using this for the crisis in Haiti or some other needed charity or service. A 30 second ad in the middle of 2 of the usual superbowl ads will make the message forgettable at best. Its their money in the end, I just would like to see it get put to better use.

 

 

[jasonxctf]

Personally - I don't think it is a very good stage to be promoting such a high political/religious topic that can go both ways very easily. But more power to Tebow for standing up for what he believes in!

 

so would it be cool for a KKK guy to stand up for what he believes in for a Super Bowl Ad? How about a Successionist? Nazi? Pro-Drug Supporter? NAMBLA?

 

Why can't everyone just sit down, enjoy something together, without one side trying to capitalize it to their benefit?

[Texsox]

so would it be cool for a KKK guy to stand up for what he believes in for a Super Bowl Ad? How about a Successionist? Nazi? Pro-Drug Supporter? NAMBLA?

 

Why can't everyone just sit down, enjoy something together, without one side trying to capitalize it to their benefit?

 

 

Or child abuse prevention, stay in school messages, United Way, anti drug, anti smoking, pick your examples.

 

You have no problem with advertisers capitalizing on which beer to drink or car to drive? Every ad is pushing something for their benefit. This one isn't asking you to buy something.

[Balta1701]

You have no problem with advertisers capitalizing on which beer to drink or car to drive? Every ad is pushing something for their benefit. This one isn't asking you to buy something.

So why was it not ok to run an ad questioning great master W?

[Texsox]

So why was it not ok to run an ad questioning great master W?

 

?? filll in some blanks for me.

[Balta1701]

?? filll in some blanks for me.

CBS has repeatedly rejected anti-Bush ads from Moveon.org, amongst others, for the Super Bowl. Fairly mild ones at that.

[BigSqwert]

Or PETA's ad last year.

Edited January 20, 2010 by BigSqwert

[Balta1701]

Or PETA's ad last year.

To be fair though, the ads PETA makes are deliberately designed to be so offensive that they get rejected based on the close to explicit sexual content of the ad. Although, one does wonder why it's ok to put Cialis ads on the air.

 

My issue with CBS is that their policy on "Issue-advocacy" ads seems to apply to any ad that would come from the left, and doesn't get applied at all from groups on the right.

[BigSqwert]

To be fair though, the ads PETA makes are deliberately designed to be so offensive that they get rejected based on the close to explicit sexual content of the ad. Although, one does wonder why it's ok to put Cialis ads on the air.

 

The ad they submitted was no worse than typical Super Bowl ads.

[southsider2k5]

To be fair though, the ads PETA makes are deliberately designed to be so offensive that they get rejected based on the close to explicit sexual content of the ad. Although, one does wonder why it's ok to put Cialis ads on the air.

 

My issue with CBS is that their policy on "Issue-advocacy" ads seems to apply to any ad that would come from the left, and doesn't get applied at all from groups on the right.

 

impotency is a right wing issue?

[Soxy]

impotency is a right wing issue?

Bob Dole says maybe. . .

[southsider2k5]

Bob Dole says maybe. . .

 

Maybe you are on to something there...

[Rex Kickass]

I think we should hold judgement. If the commercial is simply choose life and family...is that so wrong? I could see if they're showing embryos or something, but if it's in good taste and is simply a matter of choose life, why is that bad. If your pro choice does that mean you push for and encourage abortions?? I'm not sure what the issue here is, when we don't even know what the commercial is about. If it was some shock and awe pro life campaign, I would suspect it wouldn't get approved and it shouldn't.

 

I'd agree with that.... if CBS hadn't refused to air this ad:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx1u1v7hAtY

[Controlled Chaos]

I'd agree with that.... if CBS hadn't refused to air this ad:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx1u1v7hAtY

I don't know...I see the difference. One is promoting religion. This is the pc world we live in. Unless I'm missing them we don't see ads for other denominations either. Religion is just too controversial and they just stay away. So are most political messages. I don't see abortion as a political message. It's a social message. Children working labor jobs and saying "Guess who's going to pay off President Bush's $1 trillion deficit?" is a political message. One that is pretty relevant today with the switch of a name and dollar amount...but it still wouldn't get approved.

 

I don't know the Tebow ad yet...I guess it might turn out to be controversial. But as of right now all know is people saying it's an anti-abortion message. But WTF is wrong with that?? I don't get it. If the message isn't about reversing roe v wade or changing law or whatever...what is the problem? If the message isn't about taking away a womens right to choose, where's the controversy. The pro-choice movement is about having the choice not having an abortion. I mean, in essence it's like people saying....I'm mad...choose an abortion!! Maybe a pro-lifer can help a guy stuck in the middle such as myself. Cause I don't get it.

 

If the tebow ad is like...doctors told my mom to terminate she didnt yada yada yada Im fine. choose life.

What is the problem?? Do we want a commercial that says choose abortion??

[jasonxctf]

Do we want a commercial that says choose abortion??

 

sure. fair and balanced.

[Controlled Chaos]

sure. fair and balanced.

ok. Like I said I didn't realize people were pro abortion, I thought it was pro choice. I honestly felt the fight is about letting a woman choose and even pro-choicers are still happy when that choice ends up being life over abortion. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[Texsox]

Just Say No

Stop Smoking

Say No to Abortion

Vote!

Stay in School

 

I guess it will the context that some of you see this message. I have not seen much backlash against Say No To Drug campaigns. We've had anti smoking messages, NFL stay in school etc. Is someone seriously advocating that there should be more abortions? Come on. To be balanced should there be more drop out of school messages? Choose Life seems like a fairly good message. I guess if some group wants to fund a Choose Death message, I'd argue it should be shown as well. Why people are so bent out of shape about seeing a pro life message but not seeing pornography, violence, or any other issue seems silly. Give us dozens of people killing each other, We want to see blood and "realistic violence" but NOOOOOOOOOOOOO not a pro life message. THAT is too disturbing to our delicate psych!

[iamshack]

I don't know...I see the difference. One is promoting religion. This is the pc world we live in. Unless I'm missing them we don't see ads for other denominations either. Religion is just too controversial and they just stay away. So are most political messages. I don't see abortion as a political message. It's a social message. Children working labor jobs and saying "Guess who's going to pay off President Bush's $1 trillion deficit?" is a political message. One that is pretty relevant today with the switch of a name and dollar amount...but it still wouldn't get approved.

 

I don't know the Tebow ad yet...I guess it might turn out to be controversial. But as of right now all know is people saying it's an anti-abortion message. But WTF is wrong with that?? I don't get it. If the message isn't about reversing roe v wade or changing law or whatever...what is the problem? If the message isn't about taking away a womens right to choose, where's the controversy. The pro-choice movement is about having the choice not having an abortion. I mean, in essence it's like people saying....I'm mad...choose an abortion!! Maybe a pro-lifer can help a guy stuck in the middle such as myself. Cause I don't get it.

 

If the tebow ad is like...doctors told my mom to terminate she didnt yada yada yada Im fine. choose life.

What is the problem?? Do we want a commercial that says choose abortion??

 

Honestly, I think it is the fact that it is Tebow and his family that are the ones presenting a message. Similar to what Soxy posted earlier. Who the f*** are Tim Tebow and his mother to try and influence me on such a personal, intimate decision such as that? Basically, they are trying to capitalize on Tebow's accomplishments as an amatuer football player to influence people on their choice on something this personal. That will turn a lot of people off.

 

The reason this is different than, and more offensive to some than, say a Doritos or Budweiser commercial, is because they are trying to influence our decision on something as important as abortion with a celebrity spokesman or athlete, just like they do for something as trivial as what kind of snacks we enjoy at lunch or what kind of beer we have after a tough day at work.

 

I think it has a lot more to do with the Tebow's and this organization using a forum usually reserved for far-less important issues and butting their way into our party time.

[jasonxctf]

my comment was tongue in cheek... of course I want people to have a choice.

 

Maybe it would be worthwhile, for someone else to put out an ad that says, I was raped. I got pregnant. I had an abortion. It was the right thing for me as a point-counterpoint.

[jasonxctf]

Honestly, I think it is the fact that it is Tebow and his family that are the ones presenting a message. Similar to what Soxy posted earlier. Who the f*** are Tim Tebow and his mother to try and influence me on such a personal, intimate decision such as that? Basically, they are trying to capitalize on Tebow's accomplishments as an amatuer football player to influence people on their choice on something this personal. That will turn a lot of people off.

 

The reason this is different than, and more offensive to some than, say a Doritos or Budweiser commercial, is because they are trying to influence our decision on something as important as abortion with a celebrity spokesman or athlete, just like they do for something as trivial as what kind of snacks we enjoy at lunch or what kind of beer we have after a tough day at work.

 

I think it has a lot more to do with the Tebow's and this organization using a forum usually reserved for far-less important issues and butting their way into our party time.

 

Great Points.

[Rex Kickass]

I don't know...I see the difference. One is promoting religion. This is the pc world we live in. Unless I'm missing them we don't see ads for other denominations either. Religion is just too controversial and they just stay away. So are most political messages. I don't see abortion as a political message. It's a social message. Children working labor jobs and saying "Guess who's going to pay off President Bush's $1 trillion deficit?" is a political message. One that is pretty relevant today with the switch of a name and dollar amount...but it still wouldn't get approved.

 

I don't know the Tebow ad yet...I guess it might turn out to be controversial. But as of right now all know is people saying it's an anti-abortion message. But WTF is wrong with that?? I don't get it. If the message isn't about reversing roe v wade or changing law or whatever...what is the problem? If the message isn't about taking away a womens right to choose, where's the controversy. The pro-choice movement is about having the choice not having an abortion. I mean, in essence it's like people saying....I'm mad...choose an abortion!! Maybe a pro-lifer can help a guy stuck in the middle such as myself. Cause I don't get it.

 

If the tebow ad is like...doctors told my mom to terminate she didnt yada yada yada Im fine. choose life.

What is the problem?? Do we want a commercial that says choose abortion??

 

That's some ridiculous spin. A commercial that says "You're free to come to our church no matter who you are," is never more controversial than an ad that takes a side on a seriously hot button political issue. TV stations promote specific denominations all the time through paid advertising. Ask Jack VanImpe, ask Benny Hinn, ask the late Billy Graham for that matter. Most religious programming on non religious channels are paid programming. And if you're seeing them on NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, WGN, Telemundo or Channel 50 in Chicago - that money is going to the network - because those stations are all owned by networks.

 

If abortion isn't a political issue, you might have wanted to tell all the folks at the Catholic League and the priests and bishops who called for John Kerry's excommunication in 2004 because he supports a legal right to choose.

 

This is all about money or respect. I think times are tough for TV, so if the UCC ad tried to air at the Super Bowl, it would get the nod today - because this is all about money. If it couldn't than its an issue of whose views are worth respecting - and that's pretty disappointing to think about.

[bmags]

Tex,

 

Obviously all people are in agreement that we want to reduce the situations where abortions are wanted or needed, however, the difference between people who advocate for choice, perform abortions, and have had abortions vs. people on the other side of the rest of your messages, is that they've been the target of harrassment and extreme violence. And yes, I think it's silly for the Tebows to say that since I didn't have an abortion and didn't die in pregnancy, you should take that chance that you might die because that's what I believe in! f*** that noise.

[Texsox]

Honestly, I think it is the fact that it is Tebow and his family that are the ones presenting a message. Similar to what Soxy posted earlier. Who the f*** are Tim Tebow and his mother to try and influence me on such a personal, intimate decision such as that? Basically, they are trying to capitalize on Tebow's accomplishments as an amatuer football player to influence people on their choice on something this personal. That will turn a lot of people off.

 

The reason this is different than, and more offensive to some than, say a Doritos or Budweiser commercial, is because they are trying to influence our decision on something as important as abortion with a celebrity spokesman or athlete, just like they do for something as trivial as what kind of snacks we enjoy at lunch or what kind of beer we have after a tough day at work.

 

I think it has a lot more to do with the Tebow's and this organization using a forum usually reserved for far-less important issues and butting their way into our party time.

 

To someone facing the same choice as the Tebow's faced, and my heart goes out to them, there is some value in the message. Perhaps seeing what other women (perhaps couples) have gone through may be of some help and assistance. I'm surprised Soxy does not see any value in examples, both pro and con. Seeing others that have been through the same thing someone is facing can be wonderful support. I thought that is one basis for group therapy, but I may have been sleeping that day in class. Do you think someone with ALS might look towards Lou Gehrig for some inspiration? Someone with a terminal disease reading about Brian Piccolo or Walter Payton. From cancer survivors to weight loss champions, there is value in that.

 

If the debate raises awareness regarding birth control and unwanted pregnancy, it has served a useful purpose. I have no words for those that believe abortion is a reasonable form of birth control.

 

I do not believe someone should have to give up their rights of free speech because they are famous. Who are you to tell someone who to vote for? Who are you to share your opinion on a message board? Who are you to speak about anything? You are a human being and you should have that right. Just as we have the right to ignore you. Tim Tebow is someone who has an opinion and by stating his opinion, he can make a much bigger difference, good and bad, than other people. I believe he should be careful in how he uses that power, as I would say to anyone else.

 

Who are the athletes that advocate for staying in school, not smoking or doing drugs. Isn't that a personal choice?

 

I can't believe this ad gets people more upset than all the violence towards women on TV and in video games. Urging a woman to choose life over death -- Bad. Killing or raping a few women for hours in a video game? Cool

 

And it's not like he's a random spokesperson.

 

What a shame that so many toss away our right to free speech so easily.

[Balta1701]

Hypothetically speaking, how would you react if a group ran an ad encouraging women to end a pregnancy if their doctor advises it? Say, they brought out a famous woman who had received that diagnosis and made that decision.