Balta1701 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:41 AM) I just find it crazy that it took this long for them to get free turn by turn. That's a feature I use very often on my phones. It's worth a lot of money to have people paying for that feature though, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 06:45 AM) It's worth a lot of money to have people paying for that feature though, right? I guess. Glad I went with a competitor and got it for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 12, 2012 Author Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:47 AM) I guess. Glad I went with a competitor and got it for free. Yeah, I learned to navigate by the stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:04 AM) Apple's maps in iOS6 probably won't even be available until the iPhone5 is out...that will give 2 generations support for turn by turn (4S and 5). As it is now, NO iPhone gets turn by turn with the Google maps software they currently use...so I don't see how you can possibly pretend this is a negative. Currently, nobody gets turn by turn unless they buy a GPS specific app, such as Garmin, etc...for over 50$. After the change, 4S and 5 users will get turn by turn via built in maps software. Pretty sure the mapquest app does turn by turn. Of course, the app kinda sucks so I never use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 06:51 AM) Yeah, I learned to navigate by the stars. In all seriousness, a coworker drove us to lunch a while back and used a garmin device to get us to a new spot we hadn't eaten at. As we were driving I looked at the awful UI of the device and wondered why the heck would anyone have one of these since my Galaxy S II had a much better display and an exponentially better looking UI...and for free. I couldn't understand how garmin and its competitors were still around and then I remembered there are millions of iPhone users out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 12, 2012 Author Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:57 AM) In all seriousness, a coworker drove us to lunch a while back and used a garmin device to get us to a new spot we hadn't eaten at. As we were driving I looked at the awful UI of the device and wondered why the heck would anyone have one of these since my Galaxy S II had a much better display and an exponentially better looking UI...and for free. I couldn't understand how garmin and its competitors were still around and then I remembered there are millions of iPhone users out there. Yeah, instead of buying a Garmin device, I went and bought a new car. Damn iPhone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 What do you do when you rent cars in other cities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:57 AM) In all seriousness, a coworker drove us to lunch a while back and used a garmin device to get us to a new spot we hadn't eaten at. As we were driving I looked at the awful UI of the device and wondered why the heck would anyone have one of these since my Galaxy S II had a much better display and an exponentially better looking UI...and for free. I couldn't understand how garmin and its competitors were still around and then I remembered there are millions of iPhone users out there. And people like my Dad, who insists I use a thing like the Garmin even though I have GoogleMaps on the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 12, 2012 Author Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:02 AM) What do you do when you rent cars in other cities? Due to my parole restrictions, I am not allowed to visit other cities. No, honestly, I don't travel much...before I had navigation in my car I used google maps and had to actually scroll through the turns manually...heroically I was able to pull it off, but it wasn't easy. Grace of God... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:41 AM) I just find it crazy that it took this long for them to get free turn by turn. That's a feature I use very often on my phones. That's because they used Google maps for their built in mapping application, and it was in Google's *short term* interest to take their sweet time adding turn by turn to their competitors iOS application. Of course, it was shortsighted for Google to do so...because now that Apple has effectively jettisoned their maps app in place of their own, Google has now lost pending licensing agreements. iOS users generate 4 TIMES (possibly more) the amount of money FOR Google than devices based on their own Android software... "April 06, 2012, 7:33 AM — Mobile devices running Apple's iOS are more profitable for Google than Android devices, analysis of data revealed in court shows. Last week the Guardian reported that according to figures revealed as part of a proposed settlement in an ongoing patent dispute case with Oracle, Google makes four times as much from an iOS device than it does from devices running its own Android OS. The court documents reveal that Google has made about $543m from Android between its launch in 2008 and 2011. We know that by the end of 2011 around 200 million Android devices had been activated, with around 90 million of these activations taking place in the last two years." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:05 AM) Due to my parole restrictions, I am not allowed to visit other cities. No, honestly, I don't travel much...before I had navigation in my car I used google maps and had to actually scroll through the turns manually...heroically I was able to pull it off, but it wasn't easy. Grace of God... Let me tell you about the old days of Rand McNally... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 08:09 AM) Yes, with a LCD that probably costs upwards of 1500$ alone. Do me a favor, go find me a 15.4" laptop with a 2880x1800 screen at 220ppi and let me know what it costs. Odds are nobody else even offers anything close to that resolution, and if they did...they'd also cost a lot. If you're going to nitpick the Apple tax, which is what you're doing...use the Mac Pro as a better example, it's clearly overpriced and contains nothing you couldn't get elsewhere for less...aside from style that is, the Mac Pro really offers no real substance. Whereas, the retina display Macbook Pro offers something nobody else does...so the premium is at least temporarily justified. Most third party applications aren't even optimized to use the screen. So you're basically paying the premium to use Apple's currently optimized applications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 10:10 AM) Most third party applications aren't even optimized to use the screen. So you're basically paying the premium to use Apple's currently optimized applications. Some people wont appreciate how great that Macbook pro is, and those people are more than happy with e-machines and acer laptops. its not for everyone. All of the nerds in my software company are enthralled with the new model, and for good reason. For me, my macbook air is about as good as it gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 10:10 AM) Most third party applications aren't even optimized to use the screen. So you're basically paying the premium to use Apple's currently optimized applications. And?! It's about driving technology forward, which Apple is doing right here. 3rd party companies cannot optimize their software to support hardware that doesn't exist...so are you seriously knocking Apple for giving them access to technology that would allow it?! Wow. Take the blinders off, Mr. Apple Hater. When they do optimize their applications for this new display, it will look amazing, especially for photographers, graphics majors, etc. You may not realize it, but this release, and their "retina" screen technology in general, has pushed screen quality forward in a way nobody bothered to do before they did it. Today, in direct response to apples "retina" phones, you have competing Android phones now using upwards of 300 ppi screens at much higher resolutions...until Apple started pushing higher density screens, nobody cared about them...all they did was up resolution, but the screen quality/density was still lacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 10:30 AM) And?! It's about driving technology forward, which Apple is doing right here. 3rd party companies cannot optimize their software to support hardware that doesn't exist...so are you seriously knocking Apple for giving them access to technology that would allow it?! Wow. Take the blinders off, Mr. Apple Hater. When they do optimize their applications for this new display, it will look amazing, especially for photographers, graphics majors, etc. You may not realize it, but this release, and their "retina" screen technology in general, has pushed screen quality forward in a way nobody bothered to do before they did it. Today, in direct response to apples "retina" phones, you have competing Android phones now using upwards of 300 ppi screens at much higher resolutions...until Apple started pushing higher density screens, nobody cared about them...all they did was up resolution, but the screen quality/density was still lacking. I never said the technology sucked or that it wasn't useful (right now, it's more or less targeted at a niche market). If you're paying $2100 for a laptop, it better be able to play Crysis 3. Edited June 12, 2012 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 10:38 AM) I never said the technology sucked or that it wasn't useful. If you're paying $2100 for a laptop, it better be able to play Crysis 3. The people that buy laptops like this aren't doing it to play Windows only games. They're doing it for photography/graphics and/or the occasional game...but maybe no games at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 10:40 AM) The people that buy laptops like this aren't doing it to play Windows only games. They're doing it for photography/graphics and/or the occasional game...but maybe no games at all. Yea it's more for a special interest, or for their business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 10:40 AM) The people that buy laptops like this aren't doing it to play Windows only games. They're doing it for photography/graphics and/or the occasional game...but maybe no games at all. i.e. niche market. I understand that they won't play Windows games, the Crysis thing was a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 10:41 AM) Yea it's more for a special interest, or for their business. I was talking to my cousin who is a graphic designer for a major tourist attraction in the SE United States () and he'd love the retina display in an iMac. Add a retina Wacom tablet and he'd be in heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Whatever the case may be, the people have spoken and it's apparent that the laptop crowd is willing to pay a premium for an awesome screen/sleek engineering... This new Macbook Pro with retina has already slipped to a 2-3 week ship time...which means they're selling like hotcakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 10:44 AM) i.e. niche market. I understand that they won't play Windows games, the Crysis thing was a joke. Not as much niche as you may think, there's a huge demand in business for graphic design capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 10:46 AM) Whatever the case may be, the people have spoken and it's apparent that the laptop crowd is willing to pay a premium for an awesome screen/sleek engineering... This new Macbook Pro with retina has already slipped to a 2-3 week ship time...which means they're selling like hotcakes. This is the case with almost every new Apple product. You and I both know that there is a group of people who will buy anything with an Apple logo slapped on it. Edited June 12, 2012 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 10:52 AM) This is the case with almost every new Apple product. You and I both know that there are a group of people who will buy anything with an Apple logo slapped on it. Usually that group isn't into 2k+ purchases, though. They're fine with spending 299$ on a new phone or 499$ on a tablet...but not 2k+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 10:54 AM) Usually that group isn't into 2k+ purchases, though. They're fine with spending 299$ on a new phone or 499$ on a tablet...but not 2k+. If I am Apple die hard and I'm looking for a new laptop with cash to blow, I'd totally buy the new Macbook for $900 more. I found this funny...it might be able to play Crysis. I see that it comes with a GTX 650M with the newest Ivy Bridge CPUs. I'm fairly sure the 650M might be an add-on option though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 11:01 AM) If I am Apple die hard and I'm looking for a new laptop with cash to blow, I'd totally buy the new Macbook for $900 more. I found this funny...it might be able to play Crysis. I see that it comes with a GTX 650M with the newest Ivy Bridge CPUs. I'm fairly sure the 650M might be an add-on option though. I believe all Apple laptops in the pro line come with 2 graphics cards -- one for regular business type application processing, and one that kicks on if you need graphics power. In this case, the 650M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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