Technology catch-all thread

[Chisoxfn]

And you're on the "horrible" Vista. You should really upgrade to 7 as it hogs way fewer resources.

 

I got to take the iPad home last night. The thing that will make it endlessly entertaining is the same reason people like their iPhones or the iPod Touch... the Aps. Each contains 5 or more minutes of entertainment.

 

I did notice the iPad froze a lot, I assume with any new device this will be fixed in future software downloads. Hell, my Palm Pre only recently stopped having any issues and that was after it got the software update to the Palm Pre Plus.

I hope you are ready for Palm to go bankrupt, because it is inevitable. They really have been putting out a poor product for a while and with the Android buzz they are going to need some sort of revolutionary new product (or to get acquired) to save them.

 

I'll never bet against Google. I'm also not going to be against Apple either. I might not support it, but they've marketed the hell out of themeslves and have become the cool thing to do. There margins have to be pretty fat too, but I don't know what sort of fixed costs they have and how much they spend marketing, etc vs a PC. Cause I'd have to think the actual cost to building a mac vs a pc aren't too different, even though the prices are significantly different.

[iamshack]

I hope you are ready for Palm to go bankrupt, because it is inevitable. They really have been putting out a poor product for a while and with the Android buzz they are going to need some sort of revolutionary new product (or to get acquired) to save them.

 

I'll never bet against Google. I'm also not going to be against Apple either. I might not support it, but they've marketed the hell out of themeslves and have become the cool thing to do. There margins have to be pretty fat too, but I don't know what sort of fixed costs they have and how much they spend marketing, etc vs a PC. Cause I'd have to think the actual cost to building a mac vs a pc aren't too different, even though the prices are significantly different.

They use far, far better materials in their machines than most PC manufacturers. They also spend much more on the design and contruction of those machines. Which is why you get such a high quality and build.

 

 

[Leonard Zelig]

I have no idea...but more importantly, who's the woman in your avatar?

 

"Adult" actress/model Shay Laren.

[Chisoxfn]

They use far, far better materials in their machines than most PC manufacturers. They also spend much more on the design and contruction of those machines. Which is why you get such a high quality and build.

Maybe I just know people that have had problems, but I have 2 buddies that are huge apple fan boys and they have both had 2 of there harddrives die on them in the past couple years (on machines that were

 

Whether we are talking video cards, hard drives, etc.

[Chisoxfn]

By the way Shack, I'm sure Apples are f***ing ridiculously good machines and I'd hope they would be at there price-point. If I had unlimited money I'd probably buy an apple and run it on bootcamp or whatever its called now-a-days so I can run both operating systems.

 

But as of now I don't and I think there are very good PC products out there that do a great job at a lot less of the cost and I'm sure there are plenty of other products with s*** components that will have issues and do a crappy job.

[southsideirish71]

They use far, far better materials in their machines than most PC manufacturers. They also spend much more on the design and contruction of those machines. Which is why you get such a high quality and build.

 

I love my macbook pro, but I wouldn't state that they use better hardware products than most PC manufacturers. In fact, if you pulled apart a macbook pro, there are lots of similar parts to other systems. For me the selling point is that it runs OS X which is UNIX. If OS X ran on other machines I would probably be more open to buy other manufacturers. The most germane argument to Apple hardware would be the tight integration of the hardware with the OS due to the fact that Apple has control over it. Where as Microsoft has to support a larger hardware base when it comes to PCs.

Edited April 8, 2010 by southsideirish71

[iamshack]

Oh, I wasn't talking about the hardware components, I was talking about the actual construction of the machines. The aluminum unibody construction, the "tightness" of the construction, etc.

 

I may indeed be mistaken, but when I pick up or use most Apple machines, they seem much more well-built than most PCs.

[iamshack]

By the way Shack, I'm sure Apples are f***ing ridiculously good machines and I'd hope they would be at there price-point. If I had unlimited money I'd probably buy an apple and run it on bootcamp or whatever its called now-a-days so I can run both operating systems.

 

But as of now I don't and I think there are very good PC products out there that do a great job at a lot less of the cost and I'm sure there are plenty of other products with s*** components that will have issues and do a crappy job.

 

I paid about $1,500 3 years ago for an iMac that I run both Snow Leopard and Windows XP on via Parallels. I've never had any significant issues with it, and it has handled everything I've thrown at it quite well (which, admittedly, is not all THAT much). But from my personal perspective, every other PC I've had has started going downhill around the 2-3 year mark and just denegrades so quickly that I get frustrated and buy a new machine.

 

Meanwhile, this machine takes up less space, has a big, easy to read screen, and does not cause clutter in my desk area like a Window's machine from the same time period would have.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying everyone should go buy and Apple, or that Apple's are the best machines for everyone....As a matter of fact, I am happy that far lesser people use Mac's because it makes it a safer OS to use.

[BobDylan]

I paid about $1,500 3 years ago for an iMac that I run both Snow Leopard and Windows XP on via Parallels. I've never had any significant issues with it, and it has handled everything I've thrown at it quite well (which, admittedly, is not all THAT much). But from my personal perspective, every other PC I've had has started going downhill around the 2-3 year mark and just denegrades so quickly that I get frustrated and buy a new machine.

 

Meanwhile, this machine takes up less space, has a big, easy to read screen, and does not cause clutter in my desk area like a Window's machine from the same time period would have.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying everyone should go buy and Apple, or that Apple's are the best machines for everyone....As a matter of fact, I am happy that far lesser people use Mac's because it makes it a safer OS to use.

 

I don't think anyone is crapping on you for buying Apple. They're great machines. I think a lot of PC users came in here and defended their machines because you took a s*** on them without any real knowledge except that you had one or two PC's that f'ed up on you. We (mostly) all understand why people buy Apple - what I don't understand, personally, is why (a lot of) people who buy Apple need to take drop some stink on my Thinkpad.

Edited April 8, 2010 by BobDylan

[iamshack]

BD, on the contrary.

 

Last I checked, this is a thread I created about an Apple product. And if you read it, you'll see people were taking a crap on that Apple product, which I was merely defending.

 

I took a whack at Windows' machines only after Steve came in here and proclaimed the newest Apple product absolutely pointless after using it for 2 hours.

 

Again, if you read my comments, I have not once stated that people should not use Windows' machines, or that people are mistaken for buying Windows' machines, or that people should buy Apple machines instead of Windows' machines, etc.

 

Finally, it is certainly more than 2-3 PCs I have used that have become difficult to work with. I have been working with computers since 1990 or so, so trust me, it has been countless personal and work computers which I have had to suffer with, including the one I am typing at now (since I am at work).

[Steve9347]

I took a whack at Windows' machines only after Steve came in here and proclaimed the newest Apple product absolutely pointless after using it for 2 hours.

Which was completely irrelevant and had nothing to do with the Apple iPad. It could have been the Google F*ckbuddy and if it was as useless and non-revolutionary as the iPad seems to be, I would have said the same thing.

Edited April 8, 2010 by Steve9347

[iamshack]

Which was completely irrelevant and had nothing to do with the Apple iPad. It could have been the Google F*ckbuddy and if it was as useless and non-revolutionary as the iPad seems to be, I would have said the same thing.

Actually, it was entirely relevant in that statement because I was remarking about the propensity of some critics to compare the iPad dollar to dollar with a Windows machine.

Edited April 8, 2010 by iamshack

[Steve9347]

Actually, it was entirely relevant in that statement because I was remarking about the propensity of some critics to compare the iPad dollar to dollar with a Windows machine.

Alright. I'll give you that.

 

I still think if the iPad was half the cost, it'd be a worthwhile machine. However, we've been down this road, and we do not need to go down it again. It definitely is a cool little device, and the ABC App alone shows how awesome it really could be when utilized to its fullest solely as an entertainment platform.

[BobDylan]

BD, on the contrary.

 

Last I checked, this is a thread I created about an Apple product. And if you read it, you'll see people were taking a crap on that Apple product, which I was merely defending.

 

I took a whack at Windows' machines only after Steve came in here and proclaimed the newest Apple product absolutely pointless after using it for 2 hours.

 

Again, if you read my comments, I have not once stated that people should not use Windows' machines, or that people are mistaken for buying Windows' machines, or that people should buy Apple machines instead of Windows' machines, etc.

 

Finally, it is certainly more than 2-3 PCs I have used that have become difficult to work with. I have been working with computers since 1990 or so, so trust me, it has been countless personal and work computers which I have had to suffer with, including the one I am typing at now (since I am at work).

 

Steve already replied with what I was going to say. His hate wasn't directed at Apple, his hate was directed at the tablet and why he won't buy it - regardless of the brand on it.

 

But, the layout of your arguments is pretty similar throughout. 1. State that said Apple product does everything you want it to. 2. State that it looks cooler. 3. State that it is made with better materials than everything else. 4. s*** on PC.

 

We get it. And really, if there has been any hate towards Apple in this thread, it's been pricepoint. And that's 100% valid, and it's not really hate.

[iamshack]

Alright. I'll give you that.

 

I still think if the iPad was half the cost, it'd be a worthwhile machine. However, we've been down this road, and we do not need to go down it again. It definitely is a cool little device, and the ABC App alone shows how awesome it really could be when utilized to its fullest solely as an entertainment platform.

Yeah, the value in many of their latest devices is coming from the app developers rather than Apple themselves (although obviously they have created the great platform).

[iamshack]

Steve already replied with what I was going to say. His hate wasn't directed at Apple, his hate was directed at the tablet and why he won't buy it - regardless of the brand on it.

 

But, the layout of your arguments is pretty similar throughout. 1. State that said Apple product does everything you want it to. 2. State that it looks cooler. 3. State that it is made with better materials than everything else. 4. s*** on PC.

 

We get it. And really, if there has been any hate towards Apple in this thread, it's been pricepoint. And that's 100% valid, and it's not really hate.

So you're going to claim that if this product was made by IBM or Google the reviews by PC owners would be just as critical?

 

 

[Palehosefan]

So you're going to claim that if this product was made by IBM or Google the reviews by PC owners would be just as critical?

 

Here is a great news for IPhone and IPad owners.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Apple-iPhone...317043.html?x=0

Edited April 8, 2010 by Palehosefan

[Chisoxfn]

So you're going to claim that if this product was made by IBM or Google the reviews by PC owners would be just as critical?

I'd flat out tell you that a Zune is crap compared to an IPOD.

[bigruss]

So you're going to claim that if this product was made by IBM or Google the reviews by PC owners would be just as critical?

IMO, critics would hail it for design but would claim it still falls short in terms of performance for price (also hard to see what critics would say if another company made this product as it would be compared to an iphone skewing the judgments there too since its now a competitive product to the Apple brand, etc).

[Palehosefan]

I'd flat out tell you that a Zune is crap compared to an IPOD.

 

Zune is crap compared to an actual piece of crap.

[BobDylan]

So you're going to claim that if this product was made by IBM or Google the reviews by PC owners would be just as critical?

 

People aren't more critical of Apple (even though sometimes they should be with some of their claims). Their launches get more attention, certainly, but that's because they want it that way. I'm sure other companies want it that way too, but they're not good at getting it like Apple is.

[iamshack]

I'd flat out tell you that a Zune is crap compared to an IPOD.

But the Zune is crap compared to an iPod. That isn't disputed.

 

What I am saying is that everytime a decent new product is made by someone else, it is hailed as the next "iP_____ killer."

 

If Google had manufactured this product, I just think there would be far more praise (yes, people would point out it's shortcomings), but far less vitriol would be spewed.

 

Let's face it, any time a company is wildly successful such as Apple has been over the course of the past 10 years, there is a portion of society that puts forward a disproportionate quantity and degree of undeserved criticism. I think with each new product Apple unveils, that seems to become more and more apparent.

 

[BobDylan]

I'd flat out tell you that a Zune is crap compared to an IPOD.

 

Yeah, but I love the Zune store.

[Palehosefan]

But the Zune is crap compared to an iPod. That isn't disputed.

 

What I am saying is that everytime a decent new product is made by someone else, it is hailed as the next "iP_____ killer."

 

If Google had manufactured this product, I just think there would be far more praise (yes, people would point out it's shortcomings), but far less vitriol would be spewed.

 

Let's face it, any time a company is wildly successful such as Apple has been over the course of the past 10 years, there is a portion of society that puts forward a disproportionate quantity and degree of undeserved criticism. I think with each new product Apple unveils, that seems to become more and more apparent.

 

The amount of criticism is a good sign for Apple, it shows that people actually care about the products. Microsoft still receives the most hate, and Apple is closing the gap because of it's growing usage.

 

There's just not enough hardware out from companies like Google or HTC to engage enough people to provide criticism. However, both Google and HTC are providing some great options and in time will end up with "haters".

[BobDylan]

But the Zune is crap compared to an iPod. That isn't disputed.

 

What I am saying is that everytime a decent new product is made by someone else, it is hailed as the next "iP_____ killer."

 

If Google had manufactured this product, I just think there would be far more praise (yes, people would point out it's shortcomings), but far less vitriol would be spewed.

 

Let's face it, any time a company is wildly successful such as Apple has been over the course of the past 10 years, there is a portion of society that puts forward a disproportionate quantity and degree of undeserved criticism. I think with each new product Apple unveils, that seems to become more and more apparent.

 

People label it the Apple killer because Apple has been setting the bar. But to say if Google manufactured it, it'd get more praise is just wrong. Google Android catches plenty of criticism, and, in the small technology-geek world, I'd say far more than the iPhone OS.

 

However, Google and Microsoft are still "wildly successful." From a pure business standpoint, they're both still more successful than Apple and also are bigger names. So I don't know what you're saying with the last point.