Quin Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 09:10 AM) I have no idea what you're talking about here... Are you saying you spent an additional 1500$ on Final Cut and Garage Band? That's called purchasing software. You then said: The extra money was getting the Mac to be able to use them? What does that even mean? Getting the Mac to use them? It doesn't cost anything extra to "get a mac to use software"...you're merely purchasing the software, whether it be Final Cut or Adobe's alternatives...graphics and video software is expensive regardless of who you buy it from, for the Mac or the PC. If you want a good example of jamming awesome technology into a shoddily designed box, look no further than the Droid Razr Maxx. Designed like a monstrous piece of s***, full of energy sucking chips simply because they're "new" but immature...and covered up with a massive 3300mah battery in order to make it look like it has great battery life... At least Samsung understands that big can still be beautiful -- and efficient -- look at the SIII, for example. FinalCut and GarageBand together cost me $100. Ok? They are the only two programs I use that I couldn't use a PC for. Right? FinalCut being the only one required for class. GarageBand was included on the Mac. But the price I paid for a MacBook was about $1500 more then I needed for a PC that would have been just as fine. So I spent $1500 on FinalCut basically. Get what I'm saying now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 01:51 PM) FinalCut and GarageBand together cost me $100. Ok? They are the only two programs I use that I couldn't use a PC for. Right? FinalCut being the only one required for class. GarageBand was included on the Mac. But the price I paid for a MacBook was about $1500 more then I needed for a PC that would have been just as fine. So I spent $1500 on FinalCut basically. Get what I'm saying now? It was obvious the first time you explained it, I'm not sure how he missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 12:51 PM) FinalCut and GarageBand together cost me $100. Ok? They are the only two programs I use that I couldn't use a PC for. Right? FinalCut being the only one required for class. GarageBand was included on the Mac. But the price I paid for a MacBook was about $1500 more then I needed for a PC that would have been just as fine. So I spent $1500 on FinalCut basically. Get what I'm saying now? No, I still don't have a clue what you're saying. Are you saying you could have gotten a similarly specced pc for 100$? You aren't making much sense here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 12:53 PM) No, I still don't have a clue what you're saying. Are you saying you could have gotten a similarly specced pc for 100$? You aren't making much sense here. No, I'm saying that I could have bought a $600 PC that would have satisfied every single need I have for school other then using Final Cut. I don't understand why this is so difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippedoutpunk Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 12:48 PM) Heh, that's what I was thinking. I have the whole Adobe CS3 Time to upgrade to CS6 suite Matey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (flippedoutpunk @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 02:06 PM) Time to upgrade to CS6 suite Matey Actually, I lied, I have CS5 suite, not 3. I also have 3, but I forgot I "upgraded". What I really need is a newer version of Sony Vegas. I have Vegas 6, and it's 6+ years old. And I need a video editing software because I don't like to use Final Cut Pro, I find Vegas much simpler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 02:08 AM) I am not required to buy an Apple. We have Apple and non-apple people at my company. I purchased a Mac purely based on its UNIX base. Before Steve Jobs was tricking people with the pretty he was at this company called NeXT. That became the basis for OSX. As a person who had administrated UNIX systems and prefers that over Windows I could go 2 routes. I could save a few hundred bucks and place Linux or BSD on my laptop and jack around trying to get little things to work ( drivers/3rd party hardware) or I could buy a Mac. OSX is an excellent operating system and it was the selling point more than the pretty. The turning point for me was when I spent 2 hours extracting firmware from my HPs built in 3G modem then compiling another program, the debugging and cleaning up the messed up code I found to flash the 3G card only to have my work destroyed a month later when I updated my kernel. That's when I ditched Linux for OSX. There are enough people who pick the os for reasons besides how it looks as an accessory. My roommate bought a Mac thinking he could do kernel-related programming on it (i.e. modules, he's not implementing new system calls here). Nope. He always complained how "this is not Linux". Different people with different needs in different situations. Linux is a complete b**** to work with at times, I will say. But the freedom is glorious. Edited September 27, 2012 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 12:43 PM) I prefer Pulse's custom pages and better news deliverability. Flipboard's widget also sucks. So does Pulse's. Taptu's the only RSS app that has a nice looking scrolling widget that doesn't crash every 10 minutes (stupid Minimal Reader...). I spent at least 10 bucks looking for a viable RSS reader with a good widget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 12:55 PM) No, I'm saying that I could have bought a $600 PC that would have satisfied every single need I have for school other then using Final Cut. I don't understand why this is so difficult. It's not difficult when you explain it in a proper way...but you didn't do that. According to you, you spent 1500$ on software, because you had to puchase a Macbook...in reality, you would have had to spend 600+$ on a similarly specced laptop (which wouldn't have been similarly specced) + hundreds more on Adobe suites. Edited September 27, 2012 by Y2HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 02:55 PM) It's not difficult when you explain it in a proper way...but you didn't do that. According to you, you spent 1500$ on software, because you had to puchase a Macbook...in reality, you would have had to spend 600+$ on a similarly specced laptop (which wouldn't have been similarly specced) + hundreds more on Adobe suites. The amount of explaining needed after his original post is just mind boggling. Are you suffering from a concussion right now? I'm not seeing the hard part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 02:39 PM) The amount of explaining needed after his original post is just mind boggling. Are you suffering from a concussion right now? I'm not seeing the hard part. What he was actually doing was trying to be a smartass, equating his 1500$ macbook w/necessary software to having paid 1500$ for JUST the software. Oh my, he's so creative! Reality is he paid 1500$ for a great computer with the software he needs...and that's that. Had he been able to buy a PC of similar spec, let's say it cost 800$...and then the Adobe software to go with it would cost another 200$ (probably much more)...so that's about 1000$ on a conservative estimate, because a similarly specced laptop wasn't going to cost him 500$, regardless of what he claims. At BEST he would have saved a few hundred dollars if he got a PC that's remotely as good. IE, he didn't spend 1500$ on software...thats just f***ing retarded. And more to the point, based on the fact he needed Final Cut X/Pro, which is video editing software...that tells me he's going into film production/editing, if he doesn't want to use Macs, he's going into the wrong field. Edited September 27, 2012 by Y2HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 03:59 PM) What he was actually doing was trying to be a smartass, equating his 1500$ macbook w/necessary software to having paid 1500$ for JUST the software. Oh my, he's so creative! Reality is he paid 1500$ for a great computer with the software he needs...and that's that. Had he been able to buy a PC of similar spec, let's say it cost 800$...and then the Adobe software to go with it would cost another 200$ (probably much more)...so that's about 1000$ on a conservative estimate, because a similarly specced laptop wasn't going to cost him 500$, regardless of what he claims. At BEST he would have saved a few hundred dollars if he got a PC that's remotely as good. IE, he didn't spend 1500$ on software...thats just f***ing retarded. And more to the point, based on the fact he needed Final Cut X/Pro, which is video editing software...that tells me he's going into film production/editing, if he doesn't want to use Macs, he's going into the wrong field. No, I am pretty sure he was just saying he needed to have Final Cut Pro, and the only way to use it is to have to buy an overpriced Mac. Maybe he isn't fimilar with Adobe Premiere, or maybe he has to use FCP in his classes (like I am "supposed" to). So it's entirely possible he is saying the only reason he bought a Mac was because he had to have Final Cut Pro, so essentially, he paid $1500 just to be able to use that software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 03:10 PM) No, I am pretty sure he was just saying he needed to have Final Cut Pro, and the only way to use it is to have to buy an overpriced Mac. Maybe he isn't fimilar with Adobe Premiere, or maybe he has to use FCP in his classes (like I am "supposed" to). So it's entirely possible he is saying the only reason he bought a Mac was because he had to have Final Cut Pro, so essentially, he paid $1500 just to be able to use that software. As I said, he was being a smartass, just like you're being. He still paid 1500$ for a computer + software, regardless of what retarded justification you -- or he -- comes up with. Edit: And if he's not familiar with Premier, again...wrong field. Edited September 27, 2012 by Y2HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 03:59 PM) And more to the point, based on the fact he needed Final Cut X/Pro, which is video editing software...that tells me he's going into film production/editing, if he doesn't want to use Macs, he's going into the wrong field. Not necessarily. He said he is in Journalism school, as am I. We are forced to take a broad range of classes, including classes where we have to edit video. And since our campus is a Mac campus, all our computers use Final Cut Pro, so that's what they teach us and make us use. However, I've been able to get away with never using it because I have Vegas on my laptop, so I just edit it on my own time, and turn it in as a .MOV file, and they never know the difference. Maybe in Quin's case, he can't get away with using an alternative program, so he HAD to purchase Final Cut. All that being said, it's entirely possible he isn't going in to the field of video editing/producing, he just merely has to take classes for it. Speaking of which, I have to go help produce our campus TV show in a couple hours, and I will have to edit video with Avid, which I've never used. So that's going to be a real pain in the ass tonight. I'm not looking forward to this. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 01:31 PM) My roommate bought a Mac thinking he could do kernel-related programming on it (i.e. modules, he's not implementing new system calls here). Nope. He always complained how "this is not Linux". Different people with different needs in different situations. Linux is a complete b**** to work with at times, I will say. But the freedom is glorious. ...that's because it's not Linux, it's BSD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 04:11 PM) As I said, he was being a smartass, just like you're being. He still paid 1500$ for a computer + software, regardless of what retarded justification you -- or he -- comes up with. Edit: And if he's not familiar with Premier, again...wrong field. How do you know he didn't previously have a Windows laptop? Maybe he was planning to use that laptop, until he found out he had to have Final Cut Pro, so he was forced to buy an additional laptop JUST for the purposes of having Final Cut. I don't see why he has to be telling us all this JUST to be a smartass. Not everyone has to have an agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 03:14 PM) Not necessarily. He said he is in Journalism school, as am I. We are forced to take a broad range of classes, including classes where we have to edit video. And since our campus is a Mac campus, all our computers use Final Cut Pro, so that's what they teach us and make us use. However, I've been able to get away with never using it because I have Vegas on my laptop, so I just edit it on my own time, and turn it in as a .MOV file, and they never know the difference. Maybe in Quin's case, he can't get away with using an alternative program, so he HAD to purchase Final Cut. All that being said, it's entirely possible he isn't going in to the field of video editing/producing, he just merely has to take classes for it. Speaking of which, I have to go help produce our campus TV show in a couple hours, and I will have to edit video with Avid, which I've never used. So that's going to be a real pain in the ass tonight. I'm not looking forward to this. :/ That industry is flooded with Macs...so get used to knowing them. It's not just video production, journalism is very Mac centric these days, too. You're going to like Avid, it's better than Final Cut, Adobe Premier, etc...IMO, it's pretty much the best editing software there is...but it has a learning curve, like they all do. With your Premiere experience, you should be all right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 03:16 PM) How do you know he didn't previously have a Windows laptop? Maybe he was planning to use that laptop, until he found out he had to have Final Cut Pro, so he was forced to buy an additional laptop JUST for the purposes of having Final Cut. I don't see why he has to be telling us all this JUST to be a smartass. Not everyone has to have an agenda. I get that...and as soon as he's done with that class, he can resell his Mac for practically what he paid for it...so he's going to be fine. Try that with a PC. ...and I have to ask, what school/class FORCES you to buy a 1500$ laptop in the first place? I've never heard of this in my life. Edited September 27, 2012 by Y2HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 04:18 PM) That industry is flooded with Macs...so get used to knowing them. It's not just video production, journalism is very Mac centric these days, too. You're going to like Avid, it's better than Final Cut, Adobe Premier, etc...IMO, it's pretty much the best editing software there is...but it has a learning curve, like they all do. With your Premiere experience, you should be all right. I have no Premier experience, just Sony Vegas. So far everyone has been b****ing about Avid. I think the version we have is 9 years old or something. Either way, I don't have time for a learning curve, unfortunately. What I should do is spend time in the editing studios to teach myself how to use it, but I'm far too lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 03:20 PM) I have no Premier experience, just Sony Vegas. So far everyone has been b****ing about Avid. I think the version we have is 9 years old or something. Either way, I don't have time for a learning curve, unfortunately. What I should do is spend time in the editing studios to teach myself how to use it, but I'm far too lazy. Avid is what most hollywood studios use. So it's pretty advanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 04:19 PM) I get that...and as soon as he's done with that class, he can resell his Mac for practically what he paid for it...so he's going to be fine. Try that with a PC. That will never work with a PC because people don't like overpaying for them. Try and re-sell your Mac for $2000 and tell them Steve Jobs once touched the keyboard, and it will go for double! But seriously, let's not get in to this endless loop again. I have a test to study for in the next....45 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 03:16 PM) How do you know he didn't previously have a Windows laptop? Maybe he was planning to use that laptop, until he found out he had to have Final Cut Pro, so he was forced to buy an additional laptop JUST for the purposes of having Final Cut. I don't see why he has to be telling us all this JUST to be a smartass. Not everyone has to have an agenda. This is where the story bothers me...I've simply never heard of a class that forces you to buy 1500$ worth of computers/software in order to take a single class, without allowing for alternatives, such as using your current PC and perhaps a PC equilivant of software. IF that's the case, I understand what he's saying...but something is preventing me from believing this. If this is the kind of s*** schools do to students today, no wonder why people graduating from college are in that much debt. Edited September 27, 2012 by Y2HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 04:25 PM) This is where the story bothers me...I've simply never heard of a class that forces you to buy 1500$ worth of computers/software in order to take a single class, without allowing for alternatives, such as using your current PC and perhaps a PC equilivant of software. IF that's the case, I understand what he's saying...but something is preventing me from believing this. If this is the kind of s*** schools do to students today, no wonder why people graduating from college are in that much debt. We aren't forced to buy one here because we have enough labs and editing studios with Final Cut Pro on them that it's not a big deal to find something to use, but all our teachers assume we all have Macs, teach us using Macs, give directions for Macs, and having us drop assignments to folders that we have to be on a Mac to do. Maybe at his school they don't have Final Cut Pro available as easily, or maybe he didn't want to have to deal with going on to campus to edit something. I don't know. All I know is that it has been an inconvenience not having a Mac, but it's nothing I haven't been able to work around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 03:25 PM) This is where the story bothers me...I've simply never heard of a class that forces you to buy 1500$ worth of computers/software in order to take a single class, without allowing for alternatives, such as using your current PC and perhaps a PC equilivant of software. IF that's the case, I understand what he's saying...but something is preventing me from believing this. If this is the kind of s*** schools do to students today, no wonder why people graduating from college are in that much debt. The alternative is probably to use the computers in the lab, which we all know is complete bulls***. Apple does give pretty good deals/financing to students though. Edited September 27, 2012 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 03:34 PM) We aren't forced to buy one here because we have enough labs and editing studios with Final Cut Pro on them that it's not a big deal to find something to use, but all our teachers assume we all have Macs, teach us using Macs, give directions for Macs, and having us drop assignments to folders that we have to be on a Mac to do. Maybe at his school they don't have Final Cut Pro available as easily, or maybe he didn't want to have to deal with going on to campus to edit something. I don't know. All I know is that it has been an inconvenience not having a Mac, but it's nothing I haven't been able to work around. So then I'd have to ask...if you go to a school that uses Macs, in a profession dominated by teachers that teach with them and students that use them, for companies that distribute them, shouldn't you kind of expect to have to use them, too? This is probably where I had a problem with that entire 1500$ thing... If you don't want to race American branded cars, you probably shouldn't go into Nascar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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