TaylorStSox Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 5, 2013 -> 07:07 PM) Yes and no. Obviously there are markets for bigger AND smaller screens, and business wise, neither market should be ignored so long as it produces profit. The difference is, the sub 5" market is the bigger market, by far, especially in the states. The 5"+ market is bigger in China...but be that as it may, screen sizes will not remain static for any foreseeable future, but that doesn't mean there isn't a happy medium. Believe me when I say you are rare. The plus 5" phones have sold -- combined -- less than 10 million units worldwide. Meanwhile, Apples 4" iPhone 5 and Samsung's Galaxy S3 at 4.8" have sold a combined near ONE HUNDRED MILLION units...in the US alone. Worldwide they are probably orders higher than this. The differences aren't minor...they're major. And this is discounting Apple and Samsung's previous models when having this discussion, this is merely US numbers of S3's and i5's. I'm not saying there isn't a combined market that you're looking for...it exists, but it's a niche market at best. At least for now it is, that doesn't mean it won't become a more major market in the future. But right now, let's face it...even with a big screen a tablet is NOT a desktop replacement, and an oversized wanna be tablet phone like the Note/Note 2 sure as hell isn't. At lest...not yet. For a practical real world example, neither could replace my desktop for my work right now...nor will they for the foreseeable future. Forgive me, but sending emails and browsing the web is not a real Internet job...it's marketing job...and for that market, it may be adequate...but for the rest of the IT industry, it's not an acceptable alternative. It's not even close. Well, of course the 5+ market is smaller. It's new and there aren't as many options. Bringing up Apple phones is irrelevant. They don't offer a 5+ phone and most Apple enthusiasts will buy what Apple tells them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 6, 2013 Author Share Posted January 6, 2013 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 08:14 PM) I never said 5+ is the only market, but there will be one soon. Every year, Android phones get larger and larger screens. 3 years ago, it was 4 inches, 2 years ago it was 4.3. Then it was 4.5. Now it's 4.7-5. And this will keep going until users revolt, which they haven't yet since manufacturers have been able to fit these screens on devices while maintaining a similar form factor. You say 5+ inch phones have no place, but the Galaxy Note is a lot more popular than say, most Motorola or HTC phones. What I was saying is that your dream of a 4.5 inch Nexus device isn't going to happen and that is because of where the screen size trend is going. Google isn't going to downsize the screen size of their flagship phone while other devices have 5 inch 1080P screens with similar form factor. Could Google possibly make an array of Nexus phones with different sizes aimed at different markets? Perhaps and that rumor was thrown around this year, only to be proven false. And let's be frank here, there is no such thing as a 4-4.8 inch market for Android phones, it's more tiered than that. Most high-low-end Android phones end up with screens around 4 inches. The HTC One V, the Sony Xperia Sola, the Galaxy S III Mini, HTC One S, and older phones tend to be around this screen size. Then you have your mid-end phones at around 4.3 to 4.5 with the Galaxy S II, Droid RAZR, etc. All of the premium phones of the past year all have 4.7+ inch screens. HTC One X, Galaxy S III, Droid RAZR HD, Nexus 4, etc. Either they will stay at that size or they will go even higher and the trend from the past is that flagship phone screen size goes up. When will they stop? Who knows? The sales haven't really suffered with the increase. The Note is retarded big...I was at a party today and my buddy has one and had it sitting on the kitchen island and I was looking at it like, honestly, I should just bring my iPad in and put it on the island too...that thing is just too f***ing big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 5, 2013 -> 08:08 PM) The Note is retarded big...I was at a party today and my buddy has one and had it sitting on the kitchen island and I was looking at it like, honestly, I should just bring my iPad in and put it on the island too...that thing is just too f***ing big. The Note 1 is big. The Note 2 is actually not that bad since they made the dimensions a little friendlier, even though the screen size is larger. And you really are exaggerating on the size. It looks small compared to a Nexus 7 or Kindle Fire. Is it a little bit too big? Yeah, I think so, I'd rather have my phone fit in my pocket comfortably rather than barely fit. But I wouldn't mind having one if it was cheap or free. This guy gave some pretty good insight on the phone: Edited January 6, 2013 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 5, 2013 -> 10:31 PM) The Note 1 is big. The Note 2 is actually not that bad since they made the dimensions a little friendlier, even though the screen size is larger. And you really are exaggerating on the size. It looks small compared to a Nexus 7 or Kindle Fire. Is it a little bit too big? Yeah, I think so, I'd rather have my phone fit in my pocket comfortably rather than barely fit. But I wouldn't mind having one if it was cheap or free. This guy gave some pretty good insight on the phone: Well, in fairness, you just compared a phone to a tablet. So of course it's smaller than those...to me, that's like comparing a compact car to a pickup truck...IMO, they're different tools for different type jobs. But, like you said, if it was free...I wouldn't say no, either. Edited January 6, 2013 by Y2HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 6, 2013 -> 09:07 AM) Well, in fairness, you just compared a phone to a tablet. So of course it's smaller than those...to me, that's like comparing a compact car to a pickup truck...IMO, they're different tools for different type jobs. But, like you said, if it was free...I wouldn't say no, either. Shack was comparing it to an iPad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) Verizon might have the best service in the U.S., but my god are they a pain in the ass. Not only do they lock their bootloaders so you can't flash your own ROMs on Android phones, but they don't even allow you to return your phone to stock that easily when you realize that you need to unlock your bootloader first (doh). And here I am, waiting for their OTA update to finish downloading so I can flash this phone back to stock with ODIN. I get that they do it because they don't want people tethering without a plan for it, but a lot of carriers detect that no matter what software you're running. Did I also mention how slow Verizon is with updates and how they force you to update your software after you download an OTA (accidentally or intentionally) after 5 days? Awful. Edited January 9, 2013 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I think Im somehow getting the new netflixhd streaming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 8, 2013 -> 06:07 PM) Verizon might have the best service in the U.S., but my god are they a pain in the ass. Not only do they lock their bootloaders so you can't flash your own ROMs on Android phones, but they don't even allow you to return your phone to stock that easily when you realize that you need to unlock your bootloader first (doh). And here I am, waiting for their OTA update to finish downloading so I can flash this phone back to stock with ODIN. I get that they do it because they don't want people tethering without a plan for it, but a lot of carriers detect that no matter what software you're running. Did I also mention how slow Verizon is with updates and how they force you to update your software after you download an OTA (accidentally or intentionally) after 5 days? Awful. I thought they lost an anti-trust suit over that tethering stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 The exploding phablet market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 9, 2013 -> 05:59 AM) I thought they lost an anti-trust suit over that tethering stuff? They allow tethering. Bootloading/rooting isn't the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 They didn't used to. You had to pay them to unlock that feature. Then they got slapped with a fine or a lawsuit. I've had no problem rooting, flashing and restoring my Verizon Droid X2, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 phablets are teh gey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 9, 2013 -> 11:56 AM) They allow tethering. Bootloading/rooting isn't the same. Verizon has their own software in their OTA builds that checks whether or not you subscribe to tethering. It isn't the same, but part of the reason Verizon likes locking bootloaders is to enforce stuff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 9, 2013 -> 12:37 PM) phablets are teh gey Get some larger hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 IBM's Watson computer accidentally learned how to swear A funny thing happened on the way to creating an IBM supercomputer capable of understanding human language: A research scientist accidentally filled its vocabulary with foul language. And the computer, known as Watson, didn't know the difference between salty phrases and polite ones. It started peppering its conversations with words like "bulls***." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Just to sum up my day, I'd like to say...f*** you Microsoft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2013 -> 07:32 PM) Just to sum up my day, I'd like to say...f*** you Microsoft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 9, 2013 -> 08:38 PM) <!--quoteo(post=2747290:date=Jan 9, 2013 -> 07:32 PM:name=Balta1701)-->QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2013 -> 07:32 PM) <!--quotec-->Just to sum up my day, I'd like to say...f*** you Microsoft. About a dozen times over 3 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2013 -> 07:32 PM) Just to sum up my day, I'd like to say...f*** you Microsoft. I say that pretty much daily at my job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jan 9, 2013 -> 11:39 PM) I say that pretty much daily at my job. Me too...today was just exceptional. Once in a couple years awful. All their fault too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jan 9, 2013 -> 05:46 PM) IBM's Watson computer accidentally learned how to swear This made me giggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 08:08 AM) This made me giggle. I keep envisioning Watson on Jeopardy... "Alex, Your wife tastes like honey-nut cheerios" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 07:40 AM) Me too...today was just exceptional. Once in a couple years awful. All their fault too. There's all sorts of server issues where I work (I am not responsible for them). Because of the issues, one of the secretaries lost a TON of important data when i upgraded her computer to Win7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HuskyCaucasian Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 08:15 AM) oh I love those. Absolutely classic SNL The PenIs Mightier Edited January 10, 2013 by Athomeboy_2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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