Chisoxfn Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 11:14 AM) I think you're overestimating how stupid people are if they can't go download an app and sign up for it. People over the age of 60 are a different story, but those aren't the vast majority of mobile users. Why should I have to do all of those things when it is so easy on an apple device. I don't want things that take time and mean everyone has that app on there phone. Personally I hate having a million apps, I want a select few and only ones that I use and use regularly. That way when I go to click something, I know where it is cause it is actually used. I don't want to scroll through 8 pages to find the watch espn app or check my fantasy football lineup. Facetime and the ease of it is fantastic and it blows me away that the android phones don't have a similar set-up used. Since my S4 busted and I've gone back to Apple, other then the fact that I'm using an old Iphone and am on 3g (which sucks), I have re-remembered how much smoother all of the interfaces work...how much better the email function is on apple vs. google (which is hilarious since gmail on the web is phenomenal but the standard email app on android devices sucks). Bottom line, since under most circumstances, when you buy these products new, they are the same price, I really believe the apple version is less buggy and far more refined. Sure it might not have a few of the bells and whistles of an android but what it has will work and work smooth and be functional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Y2HH Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:23 PM) Why should I have to do all of those things when it is so easy on an apple device. I don't want things that take time and mean everyone has that app on there phone. Personally I hate having a million apps, I want a select few and only ones that I use and use regularly. That way when I go to click something, I know where it is cause it is actually used. I don't want to scroll through 8 pages to find the watch espn app or check my fantasy football lineup. Facetime and the ease of it is fantastic and it blows me away that the android phones don't have a similar set-up used. Since my S4 busted and I've gone back to Apple, other then the fact that I'm using an old Iphone and am on 3g (which sucks), I have re-remembered how much smoother all of the interfaces work...how much better the email function is on apple vs. google (which is hilarious since gmail on the web is phenomenal but the standard email app on android devices sucks). Bottom line, since under most circumstances, when you buy these products new, they are the same price, I really believe the apple version is less buggy and far more refined. Sure it might not have a few of the bells and whistles of an android but what it has will work and work smooth and be functional. I do think Google realized this which is what Android L aims to fix. L (Lollypop?) looks very refined in comparison to what I considered terrible UI design in all prior versions of Android to L. I know a lot of people like it, I just did not and do not...I hate helping people at work with Android devices, I find that UI so horrible and it's always so different across different phones it's annoying. If Apple has 3 settings for a given app, I guarantee that SAME comparable app on Android has 5,432 settings, of which nobody knows what 5,300 of those settings even mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:23 PM) Why should I have to do all of those things when it is so easy on an apple device. I don't want things that take time and mean everyone has that app on there phone. Personally I hate having a million apps, I want a select few and only ones that I use and use regularly. That way when I go to click something, I know where it is cause it is actually used. I don't want to scroll through 8 pages to find the watch espn app or check my fantasy football lineup. Facetime and the ease of it is fantastic and it blows me away that the android phones don't have a similar set-up used. Since my S4 busted and I've gone back to Apple, other then the fact that I'm using an old Iphone and am on 3g (which sucks), I have re-remembered how much smoother all of the interfaces work...how much better the email function is on apple vs. google (which is hilarious since gmail on the web is phenomenal but the standard email app on android devices sucks). Bottom line, since under most circumstances, when you buy these products new, they are the same price, I really believe the apple version is less buggy and far more refined. Sure it might not have a few of the bells and whistles of an android but what it has will work and work smooth and be functional. You made the mistake of buying a Samsung phone. Android does have an equivalent called Hangouts and is required to be installed on every Android phone, but that wasn't the case 2 years ago, which is what Y2HH was talking about. And the idea that having to do a few extra steps to sign up for something is ridiculous. Nobody's asking you to do anything complicated. If you can't do it, you shouldn't own a smartphone. Edited September 10, 2014 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:21 PM) It's the requirements of having to do all that...when it really shouldn't be (and isn't necessary for the most part). Then you also have to deal with Microsoft's shenanigans, which they can't get away with right now, but the second Microsoft took control of the mobile space, trust me, Skype would disappear from iOS and Android tomorrow, and MS would be like, well...you can buy a Windows Mobile device! This should be base functionality in any mobile OS stuck on a phone with a forward facing camera (all of them these days), and it should be as easy to use as Facetime...and granted, Hangouts is easy NOW, but damn it took years to get there. All a moot point now since there's Hangouts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:28 PM) You made the mistake of buying a Samsung phone. Android does have an equivalent called Hangouts and is required to be installed on every Android phone, but that wasn't the case 2 years ago, which is what Y2HH was talking about. And the idea that having to do a few extra steps to sign up for something is ridiculous. Nobody's asking you to do anything complicated. If you can't do it, you shouldn't own a smartphone. That's like saying if you can't change the oil in a car you shouldn't drive one. While *I* can change the oil...I don't expect most other people want too, nor would they care too learn, either. Smartphones should be ... smart enough that for basic functionality, such as making a phone call, or performing a video chat, you don't have to know anything...it just does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:32 PM) That's like saying if you can't change the oil in a car you shouldn't drive one. While *I* can change the oil...I don't expect most other people want too, nor would they care too learn, either. Smartphones should be ... smart enough that for basic functionality, such as making a phone call, or performing a video chat, you don't have to know anything...it just does it. Installing an app on your phone is nothing like changing your car's oil. Seriously, you're trying to over-exaggerate this. I hope you realize how silly your comparison sounds. Edited September 10, 2014 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:29 PM) All a moot point now since there's Hangouts... Right, but that's my point about Android stuffing half assed features into the OS just for the sake of being able to say, "We can already do that!" Android had the ability to do video chats for years, but it took them until 2014 to finally bring Hangouts to a place where people would actually use it on a mass scale. Hangouts is good, I even have it on my iPhone, but everything Hangouts does, Android kinda/sorta did in a convoluted, complicated and very crappy way for years now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:35 PM) Right, but that's my point about Android stuffing half assed features into the OS just for the sake of being able to say, "We can already do that!" Android had the ability to do video chats for years, but it took them until 2014 to finally bring Hangouts to a place where people would actually use it on a mass scale. Hangouts is good, I even have it on my iPhone, but everything Hangouts does, Android kinda/sorta did in a convoluted, complicated and very crappy way for years now... Google Talk's been on Android for a long time and I believe that did video chat for a long time. That was also a default app. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:34 PM) Installing an app on your phone is nothing like changing your car's oil. Seriously, you're trying to over-exaggerate this. I hope you realize how silly your comparison sounds. I disagree. I think both are very simple tasks, because they are. But having to download an App, install the app, create a login/password for the app, login to the app successfully, figure out how to add people to the app, and then notify them that they ALSO need to do all of those things are a number of steps that a LOT of people just don't want to perform. Are they all easy steps? Yes. And so is changing a cars oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:36 PM) Google Talk's been on Android for a long time and I believe that did video chat for a long time. That was also a default app. And it was absolute s*** until Hangouts came around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:37 PM) And it was absolute s*** until Hangouts came around. Care to elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:36 PM) I disagree. I think both are very simple tasks, because they are. But having to download an App, install the app, create a login/password for the app, login to the app successfully, figure out how to add people to the app, and then notify them that they ALSO need to do all of those things are a number of steps that a LOT of people just don't want to perform. Are they all easy steps? Yes. And so is changing a cars oil. Does installing an app require you to go to the store to buy oil and tools, get under your car to drain the oil, etc? That sounds a lot harder than clicking buttons 3-4 times and typing in your email and password. Come on man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:37 PM) Care to elaborate? If it was so great, why didn't the majority of users use it for anything other than another IM client? Only the techiest of techies used it for video chat or audio chats...you know who uses Facetime? Everybody. Even 80 year olds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:40 PM) If it was so great, why didn't the majority of users use it for anything other than another IM client? Only the techiest of techies used it for video chat or audio chats...you know who uses Facetime? Everybody. Even 80 year olds. Because it was an IM client first? Just like Hangouts still is. Still, please elaborate for why it was so bad. I'd like to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:39 PM) Does installing an app require you to go to the store to buy oil and tools, get under your car to drain the oil, etc? That sounds a lot harder than clicking buttons 3-4 times and typing in your email and password. Come on man... It's an exaggeration, but it applies to what you're saying. None of those things are hard to do. But yet and still NOBODY wants to do them. You're thinking like a tech person, not a regular joe that simply doesn't care. Half the people I know don't even know you can delete apps off of your phone after you install them. I'll even get calls that "my icons are all shaking for some reason". Don't think like a tech. Yes, I know you and I can do all of these things, and have done them...the other day in a fantasy league my wife wanted to use Skype so she could chat during the online draft...gave up after 2 minutes of trying to download an install it, the mic wasn't working, this wasn't working, etc. I had to go up there and do it all for her...she tried, but then said you know what, f*** this it's too complicated, I can do without. Edited September 10, 2014 by Y2HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:43 PM) It's an exaggeration, but it applies to what you're saying. None of those things are hard to do. But yet and still NOBODY wants to do them. You're thinking like a tech person, not a regular joe that simply doesn't care. Half the people I know don't even know you can delete apps off of your phone after you install them. I'll even get calls that "my icons are all shaking for some reason". Don't think like a tech. Yes, I know you and I can do all of these things, and have done them...the other day in a fantasy league my wife wanted to use Skype so she could chat during the online draft...gave up after 2 minutes of trying to download an install it, the mic wasn't working, this wasn't working, etc. I had to go up there and do it all for her...she tried, but then said you know what, f*** this it's too complicated, I can do without. No, I'm thinking like a person in their 20s. I grew up with technology, as did most of the people in my age group. We are a large portion of the user base. We understand how to do simple stuff like that. And it is what it is, it's SIMPLE. It's not hard and it's not supposed to be. You're trying to make this about people who didn't grow up with technology, which I don't think should be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) No, I'm thinking like a person in their 20s. I grew up with technology, as did most of the people in my age group. We are a large portion of the user base. We understand how to do simple stuff like that. And it is what it is, it's SIMPLE. It's not hard and it's not supposed to be. You're trying to make this about people who didn't grow up with technology, which I don't think should be the case. Actually a lot of your age group knows less than you think. They're the bulk of the people I have to support on a daily basis. Edited September 10, 2014 by Y2HH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:53 PM) Actually a lot of your age group knows less than you think. They're the bulk of the people I have to support on a daily basis. I haven't had a single person in my age group ask me how to install an app. Never. Edited September 10, 2014 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 02:14 PM) I haven't had a single person in my age group ask me how to install an app. Never. Installing an app isn't usually the problem, it's configuring it, signing up for it...not using a password of abc123, etc. The 20 somethings that grew up with technology that "works", are probably the worst of anyone I have to support. They all think they know what they're doing...and none of them actually know what they're doing. They're not as bad as the baby boomers, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Wait, so the new iphones aren't using Sapphire glass like they were rumored to be using? That was the ONE feature I've ever seen in an iphone that I was actually jealous of not having on any Android phone. What a letdown that must be for Apple fanboys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) Wait, so the new iphones aren't using Sapphire glass like they were rumored to be using? That was the ONE feature I've ever seen in an iphone that I was actually jealous of not having on any Android phone. What a letdown that must be for Apple fanboys. The idea was kind of cool, but the second I heard they cost about 16$ each to manufacture, I figured there was no way that was actually going to happen yet beyond some beta-test phones considering Gorilla Glass 3 panels cost 3$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 02:51 PM) The idea was kind of cool, but the second I heard they cost about 16$ each to manufacture, I figured there was no way that was actually going to happen yet beyond some beta-test phones considering Gorilla Glass 3 panels cost 3$. The idea of never having to worry about a broken or scratched screen is more than just "kind of cool", at least to me. Get me a waterproof phone with sapphire glass (or an equivalent) and I'll be in love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 11:28 AM) You made the mistake of buying a Samsung phone. Android does have an equivalent called Hangouts and is required to be installed on every Android phone, but that wasn't the case 2 years ago, which is what Y2HH was talking about. And the idea that having to do a few extra steps to sign up for something is ridiculous. Nobody's asking you to do anything complicated. If you can't do it, you shouldn't own a smartphone. When the competitors can do it without doing those steps and it is something high volume...I don't want to do that extra work. Not to mention, it isn't about me doing it, it is about the other people who I want to use it with having to do it too. I'm plenty smart enough to do it....but I have so much time in the day and lots of things to do...in the grand scheme of thing...wasting my time customizing my phone isn't one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 If you never had to worry about a broken or scratched screen then they wouldnt sell as many products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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