Y2HH Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 10:04 PM) Jobs was not designing these products himself. People seem to think otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Aug 24, 2011 -> 10:24 PM) People seem to think otherwise. lol ABC7 just had someone on claiming that all technological innovation will slow over the next several years since Apple is the only company that develops anything and everyone else just rips them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 06:30 AM) lol ABC7 just had someone on claiming that all technological innovation will slow over the next several years since Apple is the only company that develops anything and everyone else just rips them off. I see the brainwashing has worked for many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 07:19 AM) I see the brainwashing has worked for many. Someone needs a trip to the re-education camp... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 07:19 AM) I see the brainwashing has worked for many. Well, the largest 3 technological innovations in the last decade that have been gobbled up by the mainstream user were probably MP3 players, smart phones and tablet Pc's. I believe Apple not only leads the market in those categories, but they clearly influenced the design and user experience of all 3 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 09:30 AM) Well, the largest 3 technological innovations in the last decade that have been gobbled up by the mainstream user were probably MP3 players, smart phones and tablet Pc's. I believe Apple not only leads the market in those categories, but they clearly influenced the design and user experience of all 3 as well. Throw in a little company called Pixar and I'd say Jobs has created quite a lot, even if it's in the form of money or giving the ok to manufacture a product. Edited August 25, 2011 by Jenksismybitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The first mp3 players came out in 1999. Smart phones came out many years before the iphone. Tablet PCs were around since the 80s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 09:38 AM) The first mp3 players came out in 1999. Smart phones came out many years before the iphone. Tablet PCs were around since the 80s. Yes, but which ones are the standard? Do people say MP3 player or Ipod? I had a creative mp3 player in 2000, it was quickly replaced by the much more evolutionary iPod. Tablets were DEAD until the iPad came out, now every company is trying to make one just like the iPad's design. Maybe they didnt ultimately invent the concepts, but they established the standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 09:30 AM) Well, the largest 3 technological innovations in the last decade that have been gobbled up by the mainstream user were probably MP3 players, smart phones and tablet Pc's. I believe Apple not only leads the market in those categories, but they clearly influenced the design and user experience of all 3 as well. Apple/Jobs have definitely been influential. As you say, they set the interface standard for MP3 players and now tablets and arguably for smartphones (though Android controls the market now). But the way some people are reacting, like this guy on ABC earlier today, is that basically no other company is capable of innovation, Jobs s***s golden ideas and we’re all doomed to a technological stand-still. It’s like they’re not aware that Google exists or something. With the iPad, I still wonder how much of that is driven by the “OMG!! Apple product!!!” hysteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) Apple/Jobs have definitely been influential. As you say, they set the interface standard for MP3 players and now tablets and arguably for smartphones (though Android controls the market now). But the way some people are reacting, like this guy on ABC earlier today, is that basically no other company is capable of innovation, Jobs s***s golden ideas and we’re all doomed to a technological stand-still. It’s like they’re not aware that Google exists or something. With the iPad, I still wonder how much of that is driven by the “OMG!! Apple product!!!” hysteria. Right now the iPad controls over 90% of the total tablet market. It is no exaggeration to say that if the iPad didn't exist, there wouldn't be a tablet market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 10:39 AM) Apple/Jobs have definitely been influential. As you say, they set the interface standard for MP3 players and now tablets and arguably for smartphones (though Android controls the market now). But the way some people are reacting, like this guy on ABC earlier today, is that basically no other company is capable of innovation, Jobs s***s golden ideas and we’re all doomed to a technological stand-still. It’s like they’re not aware that Google exists or something. With the iPad, I still wonder how much of that is driven by the “OMG!! Apple product!!!” hysteria. Android is an operating system. Apple is an OS and Hardware provider. The iphone is still the dominant smartphone on the marketplace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The iphone is the dominant single phone, Android is the dominant smartphone OS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 11:14 AM) Right now the iPad controls over 90% of the total tablet market. It is no exaggeration to say that if the iPad didn't exist, there wouldn't be a tablet market. Right, I wonder if the market was generated because OMG Apple released a tablet! so everyone rushed out to drop $600 on one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 12:32 PM) Right, I wonder if the market was generated because OMG Apple released a tablet! so everyone rushed out to drop $600 on one. The fact that none of the imitators have managed to even come remotely close to gaining a foothold says something. There's no non-iPad tablet that people are flocking to, or raving about. Hell, a lot fo them aren't even making money. HP introduced theirs and 2 months later left the consumer products business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 11:34 AM) The fact that none of the imitators have managed to even come remotely close to gaining a foothold says something. There's no non-iPad tablet that people are flocking to, or raving about. Hell, a lot fo them aren't even making money. HP introduced theirs and 2 months later left the consumer products business. They've all been rushed-out garbage beta products pretty much, though. note that this is still giving credit to Apple for coming up with a slick device and convincing enough people they need it in order to generate a new tech market. Edited August 25, 2011 by StrangeSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 12:35 PM) They've all been rushed-out garbage beta products pretty much, though. I know the Android software wasn't there at the start, but at this point it's fair to say that most of the other tablets are at least competitive with the iPad 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 11:31 AM) The iphone is the dominant single phone, Android is the dominant smartphone OS. Well then you'd have to compare IOS to Android and not the iphone. The iphone is the standard that pretty much every smartphone has been using as a template for the last several years. Before it existed you had palm's and blackberries which were both struggling to come up with groundbreaking designs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The iPhone is popular because of iOS. If it were the same hardware running W7 mobile it would be an entirely different phone. You can't divorce iOS from the iPhone, and that's intentional on the part of Apple. They certainly kicked off the current smartphone interface concepts, but they're not the dominant platform and they're losing ground. I'm not saying Apple hasn't been really innovative, maybe the most innovative in the past decade or so. I'm just laughing a little at the hysteria that we'll never have a new piece of technology again now that Jobs isn't CEO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 01:42 PM) The iPhone is popular because of iOS. If it were the same hardware running W7 mobile it would be an entirely different phone. You can't divorce iOS from the iPhone, and that's intentional on the part of Apple. They certainly kicked off the current smartphone interface concepts, but they're not the dominant platform and they're losing ground. I'm not saying Apple hasn't been really innovative, maybe the most innovative in the past decade or so. I'm just laughing a little at the hysteria that we'll never have a new piece of technology again now that Jobs isn't CEO. I'm not sure it's fair to say that they're "losing ground" unless things have changed in the last 8 months or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Oh, and one more important detail...Apple also dominates the profitability of smartphones...absolutely dominates. Which means that if that for some reason their market share became an actual weakness, they have the ability to do increase it through price cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 12:48 PM) I'm not sure it's fair to say that they're "losing ground" unless things have changed in the last 8 months or so. Notice that trajectory for Google? Their market share is around 50% now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 03:57 PM) Notice that trajectory for Google? Their market share is around 50% now. But they're gaining that market share relative to Blackberries and Microsoft. They haven't put a dent in the iPhone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) Oh, and one more important detail...Apple also dominates the profitability of smartphones...absolutely dominates. Which means that if that for some reason their market share became an actual weakness, they have the ability to do increase it through price cuts. Source for this? Is this smartphones only or all phones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 02:58 PM) But they're gaining that market share relative to Blackberries and Microsoft. They haven't put a dent in the iPhone. The Sox have been treading water around .500 all season, but they're still losing ground to the Tigers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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