RockRaines Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 07:48 AM) That's much more likely. No way they signed Thome just to be an occasional player. He'll get the bulk of DH at bats. He'll get the bulk of them? LOL, and who is he going to sit then? Kubel? I bet Thome doesnt play more than 20 games at DH tops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 09:03 AM) Did I miss us being projected for the same amount of homers as last year? Because it sure sounds like we are going to hit about 100 homers this year. Starters and their career highs in HR: Pierzynski 18 Konerko 41 Beckham 14 Ramirez 21 Teahen 18 Pierre 3 Rios 24 Quentin 36 Bench - career highs, career highs as bench players Kotsay 17, 4 as a bench player Jones 51, 17 Castro 11, 11 Vizquel 14, 1 Nix 12, 12 If all of our starters reach their career highs that is 175. If all of our bench players reach their bench highs that is 45. Total = 220 in that case. If all our players on the 25-man roster reach their career highs that is 280, which would be pretty cool. Now, looking at this more realistically, but still optimistically: Pierzynski 14 Konerko 28 Beckham 20 Ramirez 19 Teahen 16 Pierre 1 Rios 19 Quentin 30 Kotsay 6 Jones 21 Castro 7 Vizquel 1 Nix 7 = 189 Edit: BTW we hit 184 last year, so the above would seem pretty good prediction to me since we didn't exactly get a whole lot better. Edited January 27, 2010 by Kenny Hates Prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 10:22 AM) What are the power alleys like? Left Field - 339 feet Left-Center - 377 feet Center Field - 404 feet Right-Center - 367 feet Right Field - 328 feet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 10:34 AM) Left Field - 339 feet Left-Center - 377 feet Center Field - 404 feet Right-Center - 367 feet Right Field - 328 feet It doesn't sound unusually short to me, does it to anyone else? Is there expected to be a major wind of any sort? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 10:37 AM) It doesn't sound unusually short to me, does it to anyone else? Is there expected to be a major wind of any sort? They shortened LF by 4 ft, LCF by 8 ft, CF by 4 ft and left RCF and RF the same. I'm also guessing there won't be a large wall in RF but I don't know that for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/min/ticketing/season.jsp The RF porch has a pretty short fence by the looks of it...probably 8' or 9' I would guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Hm. Thome on the Twins... I'll cheer him until he makes it sting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 10:45 AM) They shortened LF by 4 ft, LCF by 8 ft, CF by 4 ft and left RCF and RF the same. I'm also guessing there won't be a large wall in RF but I don't know that for sure. But I'm also guessing they won't be able to turn the fans on every time the home team is up to bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 09:25 AM) He'll get the bulk of them? LOL, and who is he going to sit then? Kubel? I bet Thome doesnt play more than 20 games at DH tops. I'll take that bet - over/under at 20 games at DH, I'll go the over. What's the stake? Sig bet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 11:10 AM) I'll take that bet - over/under at 20 games at DH, I'll go the over. What's the stake? Sig bet? Yeah I'd imagine the Twins will try and sneak Kubel into LF with Thome as DH against RHP as often as they feel possible. Of course, just how bad Kubel actually butchers LF as well as Thome's health (or lack thereof) will both be issues that dictate just how often "they feel possible" actually is, but I'd guess it'll be more than 20 games. Edited January 27, 2010 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 10:03 AM) Did I miss us being projected for the same amount of homers as last year? Because it sure sounds like we are going to hit about 100 homers this year. Bill James has us down for about 173 assuming we're working a straight platoon of Kotsay/Jones. In the event of Jones starting everyday that rises by 11, and i'm sure it won't alter considerably either way if we factor in the offensive juggernaut that is Omar Visquel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 09:25 AM) It doesn't matter if Hudson, Hynick, Torres, Nunez, Santeliz, Williams, Threets and Santos was our bullpen and our top four starters all had ERA's below 4.00, with an offense in the bottom quartile, we won't make the playoffs. Yep, that's what I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 10:10 AM) I'll take that bet - over/under at 20 games at DH, I'll go the over. What's the stake? Sig bet? No joke. He plays at least 50 games there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 09:25 AM) He'll get the bulk of them? LOL, and who is he going to sit then? Kubel? I bet Thome doesnt play more than 20 games at DH tops. In case you were unaware, Delmon Young f***ing sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 03:18 PM) In case you were unaware, Delmon Young f***ing sucks. Except against the black hats with SOX on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 03:20 PM) Except against the black hats with SOX on them. .356/.396/.538/.934 with 5 homers in about 140 plate appearances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 09:09 AM) The Twins are turning into the Sox. They may be transitioning to a power team but they'll still play fundamentally sound baseball both in situational hitting and on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 I once again question Ozzie's and KW's honesty with the fans. They said they could not guantee Thome enough at bats to interest him. Yet he signs with the Twins as a pinch hitter & part time DH. If they didn't want Thome, fine, go in another direction but why B.S. us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 QUOTE (since56 @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 05:19 PM) I once again question Ozzie's and KW's honesty with the fans. They said they could not guantee Thome enough at bats to interest him. Yet he signs with the Twins as a pinch hitter & part time DH. If they didn't want Thome, fine, go in another direction but why B.S. us? The Sox don't think he can be effective with limited plate appearances, and they don't want to mess up what they have. Further, I strongly doubt Thome is a part-time player in Minnesota. Unless they face a lefty, he'll be in the opening day lineup and he'll be a big part of their team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I agree with your analysis. So the Sox were simply not going to sign him. They were not going to give him full time DH duties and they don't believe he could be effective with limited plate appearences. It seemed as though publicly they were offering him the chance to come back if he accepted the limited role. Since they were not going to sign him why not just say we are not interested period? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 QUOTE (since56 @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 06:51 PM) I agree with your analysis. So the Sox were simply not going to sign him. They were not going to give him full time DH duties and they don't believe he could be effective with limited plate appearences. It seemed as though publicly they were offering him the chance to come back if he accepted the limited role. Since they were not going to sign him why not just say we are not interested period? I don't think Ozzie ever really consider the option of having Thome all offseason because he assumed he would sign elsewhere. When given the option of having Thome back at like $1-2 mill a year to be a dangerous bat for the Sox and take playing time away from someone like Mark Kotsay, Ozzie chose to go with Kotsay over Thome because he would have to give too many bats to Thome, which would take away from his ability to use everyone and anyone at the DH position, and when it boiled down to that, he declined. It isn't because they think Thome's a bad player, it's simply because he's not good enough to overturn the direction the White Sox are going with their rotating DH. I disagree with their decision, but I'm sitting behind a computer while Ozzie gets to put on a uniform and make decisions for the team on the field while Williams gets to put on a suit and tie and call other GMs and make trades and sign people, so there's not much I can do about it. I imagine if the Nationals offered Adam Dunn plus $$$ for CJ Retherford right now, the Sox would take it and Kotsay would sit on his ass quite a bit throughout the entirety of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 06:57 PM) I don't think Ozzie ever really consider the option of having Thome all offseason because he assumed he would sign elsewhere. When given the option of having Thome back at like $1-2 mill a year to be a dangerous bat for the Sox and take playing time away from someone like Mark Kotsay, Ozzie chose to go with Kotsay over Thome because he would have to give too many bats to Thome, which would take away from his ability to use everyone and anyone at the DH position, and when it boiled down to that, he declined. It isn't because they think Thome's a bad player, it's simply because he's not good enough to overturn the direction the White Sox are going with their rotating DH. I disagree with their decision, but I'm sitting behind a computer while Ozzie gets to put on a uniform and make decisions for the team on the field while Williams gets to put on a suit and tie and call other GMs and make trades and sign people, so there's not much I can do about it. I imagine if the Nationals offered Adam Dunn plus $$$ for CJ Retherford right now, the Sox would take it and Kotsay would sit on his ass quite a bit throughout the entirety of the season. I'm starting to believe the White Sox knew all along they wouldn't bring Thome back. Then word on the eve of Soxfest hits that he's close to signing with Minnesota, basically their biggest rival. Instead of Soxfest becoming the "how could you let Thome go to Minnesota"fest, they decided to make it seem as they still were considering him. Ozzie talked to Thome Sunday night, right after Soxfest had ended and he wouldn't be hounded with questions about it. If my theory is correct, I don't blame them for doing it that way, although if they really don't think they are a bat short at this time, I think they are very wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 27, 2010 -> 03:32 PM) The Sox don't think he can be effective with limited plate appearances, and they don't want to mess up what they have. Further, I strongly doubt Thome is a part-time player in Minnesota. Unless they face a lefty, he'll be in the opening day lineup and he'll be a big part of their team. Does that mean they move there outstanding Dh who is a butcher in the field into the field so that Thome DH's? I don't buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 28, 2010 -> 11:26 AM) Does that mean they move there outstanding Dh who is a butcher in the field into the field so that Thome DH's? I don't buy it. Delmon Young is a butcher in the field too. Is the small downgrade from Young to Kubel in LF (bad to very bad) worth the huge upgrade from Young to Thome against RHP (bad to good)? I would say yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 28, 2010 -> 11:26 AM) Does that mean they move there outstanding Dh who is a butcher in the field into the field so that Thome DH's? I don't buy it. I've seen several good posters I respect on Minnesota boards recommend it. Kubel hasn't played the field because of injury issues, which are now past. Young so far in his young career has been sub-standard both at the plate and in the field. If he starts out poor this year, don't be surprised that Gardy starts giving Kubel time in left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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