Republican 2012 Nomination Thread

[Rex Kickass]

Serious question...have many Democratic public figures actually spoken about this case?

Just pundits and advisers. When the GOP is in Circular Firing Squad mode, why get in the crossfire?

[Rex Kickass]

Was it just heavy breathing into the receiver?

 

:lolhitting

[Balta1701]

THIS IS NOT HOW YOU MAKE A STORY GO AWAY, MR. CAIN.

 

Herman Cain's campaign threatens to sue Politico for accurately reporting things that happened in the 1990's.

 

 

Oh, and one of the accusers hopes to have an agreement to release a statement later this afternoon.

[Balta1701]

CREW has also filed an ethics complaint against the Cain campaign over some actually serious campaign finance shenanigoats which would be getting more play if they hadn't come out this week.

[Rex Kickass]

I'd like to point out that this has had 0 impact on his polling thus far.l

[StrangeSox]

I don't seem to recall the press being this interested in a sex scandal when you had a Presidential contender screwing around on his sick wife. There were even details in that one, and no confidentiality agreements to get in the way.

 

Remember when they covered up Weiner's sending of a pic of his dong and definitely didn't make it one of the biggest news stories for at least a week?

[Rex Kickass]

And the Dem's response to this sure hasn't been "Its none of our Business..."

 

Actually the scandal itself doesn't really do one thing or another to me in the way I feel about a candidate. It's how they handle their scandal that matters.

 

And frankly, if I was a Cainiac right about now, looking at the 10 different stories he's told in four days, I would really start to reevaluate how competent this person would be if he actually had to make decisions that would affect people's lives. His whole campaign has been about being an outsider with character to be President. The truth is, he seems to be neither an outsider or have the character he claims.

[Texsox]

Was it just heavy breathing into the receiver?

 

Patriotic music, a notice to call a number to have the calls blocked, and a Cain stump speech.

Well, we were told for years that sticking a cigar into an intern's poos didn't matter and all that mattered was job performance.

 

Who told you that?

[Balta1701]

Patriotic music, a notice to call a number to have the calls blocked, and a Cain stump speech.

 

 

Who told you that?

Most of the democrats in congress.

[mr_genius]

Was it just heavy breathing into the receiver?

 

win

[Texsox]

Most of the democrats in congress.

 

Versus millions of liberal Americans who didn't say it was OK. And have they really been saying it for years?

[Balta1701]

Versus millions of liberal Americans who didn't say it was OK. And have they really been saying it for years?

I think that battle was fought for a period of years, yeah.

[Texsox]

I think that battle was fought for a period of years, yeah.

 

In the past 11 or so years since he left often, how often have you heard it?

[Balta1701]

In the past 11 or so years since he left often, how often have you heard it?

Every time a Republican has a scandal involving sex. Or when there's a good clinton joke.

[MexSoxFan#1]

All this media scrutiny that Cain is facing in the long run hurts our country more than it helps, it creates a standard of a President that is almost impossible to reach, we all make mistakes, how many capable people don't run for President for fear of the media dragging their skeletons out of the closet?

 

Many of our better Presidents were shady characters who wouldn't be able to withstand today's media scrutiny, JFK was an adulterer but that didn't stop him from being a capable leader.I understand all this character and moral make up of a candidate but at the end of the day I'll take the brilliant asshole over the stand up doofus, we're voting for a President and not the Pope.

 

I'm getting tired of all the digging into the personal lives of politicians, it's not my business just like my personal life isn't your business.

 

All that being said, if Cain just wanted to bang a couple of women working for him without threatening their jobs, that sucks but it's not a deal killer for me, if he was being a total douche and harrassing them constantly, that's different.

[EvilMonkey]

Remember when they covered up Weiner's sending of a pic of his dong and definitely didn't make it one of the biggest news stories for at least a week?

Yeah, they covered it up right up until he was forced to admit it was him because of all the work done by others NOT in the MSM. Then they had no choice.

[EvilMonkey]

Versus millions of liberal Americans who didn't say it was OK. And have they really been saying it for years?

His job approval rating never really suffered for it, so apparently it didn't bother people too much. (the formatting messes up when I paste, go to link to read)

 

http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton-.htm

 

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Robert Teeter ®

 

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"In general, do you approve or disapprove of the job Bill Clinton is doing as president?"

 

 

Approve Disapprove Not Sure

 

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1/13-15/01 66 31 3 1,018

12/7-10/00 66 29 5 2,107

10/00 60 35 5 RV

9/00 60 35 5 RV

8/10-11/00 58 36 6 802RV

7/27-28/00 60 35 5 1,009RV

6/14-18/00 58 37 5 1,740RV

4/29 - 5/1/00 59 35 6 1,003RV

3/2-5/00 61 33 6 1,213

1/25-26/00 65 30 5 1,010

12/9-12/99 61 34 5 2,014

10/23-25/99 60 34 6 1,003

9/9-12/99 58 37 5 2,025

7/24-26/99 63 32 5 1,007

6/16-19/99 58 37 5 2,011

4/17-19/99 58 36 6 1,006

3/4-7/99 66 31 3 2,012

1/16-18/99 68 29 3 1,011

12/19/98 ^ 72 25 3 510

12/15/98 * 68 28 4 507

12/3-6/98 65 31 4 2,106

10/24-27/98 68 29 3 1,025RV

9/10-13/98 66 31 3 2,005

8/20/98 * 69 27 4 503

8/15-16/98 * 70 24 6 837

7/29/98 * 68 27 5 501

7/25-27/98 64 30 6 1,006

6/18-21/98 63 30 7 2,006

4/18-20/98 6629

 

 

 

* NBC News Poll

^ NBC News Poll, conducted Saturday afternoon, following the House impeachment vote

Edited November 5, 2011 by Alpha Dog

[Texsox]

Isn't there a difference between approving of the job he's doing and approving of his affair with Lewinski? You said there were years of people saying his behavior was fine. That's about the same as someone saying since you like music you approve of their drug use.

 

But accepting your premise, since Dems did such a horrible job with Clinton, how will Republicans react that is better?

[Balta1701]

Yeah, they covered it up right up until he was forced to admit it was him because of all the work done by others NOT in the MSM. Then they had no choice.

Covered it up? Are you kidding? Like the series of interviews he gave 3 days after the photo was published and made the classic statement htat he couldn't say with certainty that the image wasn't him?

[Balta1701]

All this media scrutiny that Cain is facing in the long run hurts our country more than it helps, it creates a standard of a President that is almost impossible to reach, we all make mistakes, how many capable people don't run for President for fear of the media dragging their skeletons out of the closet?

 

Many of our better Presidents were shady characters who wouldn't be able to withstand today's media scrutiny, JFK was an adulterer but that didn't stop him from being a capable leader.I understand all this character and moral make up of a candidate but at the end of the day I'll take the brilliant asshole over the stand up doofus, we're voting for a President and not the Pope.

 

I'm getting tired of all the digging into the personal lives of politicians, it's not my business just like my personal life isn't your business.

 

All that being said, if Cain just wanted to bang a couple of women working for him without threatening their jobs, that sucks but it's not a deal killer for me, if he was being a total douche and harrassing them constantly, that's different.

If you really want to draw a line...there's a big difference between "Things done by consenting adults" and "things that are illegal enough that I settle out of court, repeatedly, for tens of thousands of dollars to avoid the legal case".

[mr_genius]

"things that are illegal enough that I settle out of court, repeatedly, for tens of thousands of dollars to avoid the legal case".

 

that doesn't mean anything. cases get settled all the time because it costs so much to defend these suits. a 45k settlement isn't that much, so they likely did not have much of a case.

[mr_genius]

accuser wishes to remain anon, doesn't think another payday is available.

 

http://www.news4jax.com/election-2012/Lawy...5738/-/e2054/-/

 

Bennett said his client, married for 26 years, will not reveal her identity because "she and her husband see no value in revisiting this matter now nor in discussing the matter any further publicly or privately.

Edited November 5, 2011 by mr_genius

[Balta1701]

I love how you just assume that the motivation of the accuser is more money. After all, she was asking for it.

[mr_genius]

confidentiality waved.

 

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-573...wont-go-public/

 

 

Mr. Herman Cain disputed the allegations in the complaint. The Association and Mr. Bennett's client subsequently entered into an agreement to resolve the matter, without any admission of liability. Mr. Cain was not a party to that agreement. The agreement contains mutual confidentiality obligations."

 

The statement went on to say that the restaurant association had agreed to waive the confidentiality provisions if the woman wanted to discuss the allegations.

 

 

[mr_genius]

I love how you just assume that the motivation of the accuser is more money. After all, she was asking for it.

 

the likely scenario is that news agencies refused to pay for the story, therefore she has decided to remain anon. this looks more and more like a frivolous suit filed for financial gain. if she can't make enough money on this, she doesn't want the scrutiny of going public.

Edited November 5, 2011 by mr_genius