mr_genius Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 10:53 AM) Dan Savage, sex columnist/homosexual, came up with that one as a humerous way of responding to Santorum's hate towards the gays, and it has stuck. that's what i figured. but Ron Paul is still worse, right? cause Ron Paul is the ULTIMATE hater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 11:59 AM) that's what i figured. but Ron Paul is still worse, right? cause Ron Paul is the ULTIMATE hater. Going through Ron Paul's writings, yeah, he puts Santorum to shame. It's really remarkable that a guy can maintain a career with the stuff in those writings without being completely ostracized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) After much thought and consideration, I have decided I cannot settle with second best. I am voting for Ron Paul in the Illinois GOP Primary! Edited January 2, 2012 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 PPP was in the field in Iowa on Saturday and Sunday. 1. Hates-everyone: 20% 2. Mittens: 19% 3. Santorum surge: 18% 4. Newt: 14% 5. Rick Perry: 10% 6. Michele Bachmann: 8% 7. Jon Huntsman: 4% 8. Buddy Roemer: 2% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/02...before-primary/ Looks like Mitt Romney and Ron Paul will remain the only 2 names on the ballot in the Virginia GOP primary. Edited January 2, 2012 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagostatecougars Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) Awesome video pertaining to Ron Paul Edited January 3, 2012 by chicagostatecougars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jan 2, 2012 -> 07:58 PM) :headbang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 See ya Mr. Perry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jan 4, 2012 -> 05:09 AM) See ya Mr. Perry. Bachman is out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 (edited) So apparently there was about 10% less republican turnout at the Iowa GOP caucuses this year than in 2008. I wouldn't have expected that. Edited January 4, 2012 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jan 4, 2012 -> 05:09 AM) See ya Mr. Perry. He is reassessing his campaign. I believe he is checking his major donors and seeing how far the money will last. he needs to stick around for a couple more primaries to set himself up as a serious VP candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 4, 2012 -> 06:54 AM) He is reassessing his campaign. I believe he is checking his major donors and seeing how far the money will last. he needs to stick around for a couple more primaries to set himself up as a serious VP candidate. Wrong. He will be our next President. After all, he has never lost an election! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 4, 2012 -> 09:43 AM) So apparently there was about 10% less republican turnout at the Iowa GOP caucuses this year than in 2008. I wouldn't have expected that. If there's anything that ought to scare the Republicans, it's this. In 08, there was 2 contested caucuses, so there was likely very little Democrat crossover. In 2012, the Republicans were the only contested caucus, so if Dem leaning independents wanted to cross over and vote for Paul or something like that, they could do so willingly. And yet, turnout dropped a fair amount. They won 10 on the strength of a hugely motivated base. If they can't even match Iowa's turnout from 08, that is a real sign of a disaffected base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Michelle Bachmann has canceled a planned trip to South Carolina and scheduled a press conference in a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2012 -> 09:15 AM) If there's anything that ought to scare the Republicans, it's this. In 08, there was 2 contested caucuses, so there was likely very little Democrat crossover. In 2012, the Republicans were the only contested caucus, so if Dem leaning independents wanted to cross over and vote for Paul or something like that, they could do so willingly. And yet, turnout dropped a fair amount. They won 10 on the strength of a hugely motivated base. If they can't even match Iowa's turnout from 08, that is a real sign of a disaffected base. That link details the numbers. Overall turnout for the GOP caucus was very slightly higher, but crossovers were higher and thus the actual number of Republicans turning out was lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 4, 2012 -> 10:27 AM) That link details the numbers. Overall turnout for the GOP caucus was very slightly higher, but crossovers were higher and thus the actual number of Republicans turning out was lower. Ok, thanks, missede that detail (it's morning). Still, a decrease in the GOP turnout isn't a great sign for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 John McCain will endorse Mittens today in New Hampshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2012 -> 09:15 AM) If there's anything that ought to scare the Republicans, it's this. In 08, there was 2 contested caucuses, so there was likely very little Democrat crossover. In 2012, the Republicans were the only contested caucus, so if Dem leaning independents wanted to cross over and vote for Paul or something like that, they could do so willingly. And yet, turnout dropped a fair amount. They won 10 on the strength of a hugely motivated base. If they can't even match Iowa's turnout from 08, that is a real sign of a disaffected base. To put it in more of a historical context, 2008 was a record-breaking turnout year with 118,411 votes cast. According to that article, 80% were from the GOP, which would be about 94,729. This year, the turnout was more than 4 years ago at 122,255. Only 75% of those were from the GOP according to that same article, which was 91,691. So, putting the spin on it that turnout dropped a fair amount from a record breaking turnout is not really one that matches up with the numbers IMO. I don't have the historical numbers for GOP percentage that cast votes, but here are at least the total amount of votes cast for several of the past caucuses to give a better historical context. 2012: 122,255 2008: 118,411 2000: 85,761 1996 (last time Republicans were running against an incumbent Dem): 90,889 1988: 108,560 1980: 106,051 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 The main takeaway is that the supposed uber-enthusiasm to defeat Obama isn't readily apparent from the caucus turnout numbers, but I'd toss out the caveat that it's an indirect measure and not necessarily completely predictive of enthusiasm for voting for Any Republican over Obama. There may be a significant portion eager to vote against Obama and don't really care who that other choice will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 4, 2012 -> 09:54 AM) He is reassessing his campaign. I believe he is checking his major donors and seeing how far the money will last. he needs to stick around for a couple more primaries to set himself up as a serious VP candidate. hahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 4, 2012 -> 09:47 AM) The main takeaway is that the supposed uber-enthusiasm to defeat Obama isn't readily apparent from the caucus turnout numbers, but I'd toss out the caveat that it's an indirect measure and not necessarily completely predictive of enthusiasm for voting for Any Republican over Obama. There may be a significant portion eager to vote against Obama and don't really care who that other choice will be. I wouldn't be surprised with the bolded part being the case. There were 41% of caucus voters that were undecided going into the day of the caucus. That is a very large number that either don't like any of the choices or don't care which one goes against Obama. Personally, I was in that 41% as I am actually good with Mitt, Ron Paul, and with Gingrich (as weird as that sounds). I saw positives to each of them and negatives to each of them that make them all a wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 4, 2012 -> 09:54 AM) He is reassessing his campaign. I believe he is checking his major donors and seeing how far the money will last. he needs to stick around for a couple more primaries to set himself up as a serious VP candidate. It appears he's in at least through South Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 So the Republican choices amount to a guy who flip flops so often, he makes John Kerry seem immovable, a guy who wants to bring back the gold standard, and a guy who wants to outlaw birth control and the National Weather Service. Bumper crop, I dare say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jan 4, 2012 -> 02:11 PM) So the Republican choices amount to a guy who flip flops so often, he makes John Kerry seem immovable, a guy who wants to bring back the gold standard, and a guy who wants to outlaw birth control and the National Weather Service. Bumper crop, I dare say! gimme that flip flopper any day of the week over the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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