Reddy Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 10:46 PM) I'd characterize their treatment of him as more "ignoring" than "going after" him. The guy continues to poll pretty well, but nobody pays attention. yeah in the debates the other candidates openly mock and laugh at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 09:13 PM) he... has been an ambassador to Singapore and China and successfully ran an entire state with 90% approval ratings. No skills? Seriously? Why do you even post that ignorant s***? Obozo named him 'ambassador' to China after getting some bribe money, then Huntsman goes on business trip for his families outsourcing company. That doesn't really require much skill. Running Utah doesn't require much skill either. But the wise GOP voters know all this, that why is a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 09:50 PM) Whenever he's covered by Fox, it's dismissive and insulting. FOX hates Ron Paul even more than they hate Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 10:15 PM) FOX hates Ron Paul even more than they hate Obama. Where do you stand? I know it's probably somewhere in this thread already, but I'm pretty damn lazy and not going to go back to find it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 10:17 PM) Where do you stand? I know it's probably somewhere in this thread already, but I'm pretty damn lazy and not going to go back to find it i like Ron Paul. I don't agree with some of his economic policy, but I like his foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 08:26 PM) I wish Joe Biden would answer questions speaking Mandarin. But it would be totally fake Mandarin. With all of the stupid stuff he does, I am surprised he hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 just to be clear, by you agree with his foreign policy you agree with pulling out of all international treaties (including NATO), eliminating all of our bases, and all future uses of military influence. Not just pulling out of Afghanistan, correct? And...you wnt to eliminate the fed, go to a gold standard, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 08:26 AM) just to be clear, by you agree with his foreign policy you agree with pulling out of all international treaties (including NATO), eliminating all of our bases, and all future uses of military influence. Not just pulling out of Afghanistan, correct? And...you wnt to eliminate the fed, go to a gold standard, etc. Presumably there's an implied "Eliminate our nuclear arsenal" in there along with the "Eliminate the Department of Energy", although no one in the press has been intelligent enough to push the candidates on that one (you really can't maintain a nuclear arsenal without the DOE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 08:24 AM) Presumably there's an implied "Eliminate our nuclear arsenal" in there along with the "Eliminate the Department of Energy", although no one in the press has been intelligent enough to push the candidates on that one (you really can't maintain a nuclear arsenal without the DOE) You could roll the DoE's nuclear responsibilities into the DoD, but you'd lose all of the DoE national labs in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 10:15 AM) You could roll the DoE's nuclear responsibilities into the DoD, but you'd lose all of the DoE national labs in the process. And especially with "Test ban" treaties, the national labs are vital to maintaining that arsenal. You shut down the labs, you may as well just dismantle the weapons. They simply cannot be maintained without the research and testing infrastructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 10:17 PM) Where do you stand? I know it's probably somewhere in this thread already, but I'm pretty damn lazy and not going to go back to find it Pretty sure he hates on Huntsman mostly to egg me on. As for Ron Paul, I can't believe I am defending the guy again, but need to clarify yet another falsehood from Reddy... Paul served ACTIVE Air Force as a surgeon for 2 tours of duty. Then he went to the National Guard. Reddy has this odd tendency, when he hones in on something he doesn't like, to try to add to his position by making things up and/or being selective in his acceptance of which facts he likes and doesn't. If Huntsman were to somehow win the primary lottery and win the nomination - which is incredibly unlikely - he would definitely have my vote. Romney I am on the fence about, I don't like the guy, but I think as President he is likely to be more like the centrist version of Romney than the far-right one he acts like in the primaries. And I'd be OK with that. Paul is intriguing, but he just has too many bats*** crazy ideas for me to vote for him. Anyone else from the GOP field wins, and I'm voting for Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 09:17 AM) And especially with "Test ban" treaties, the national labs are vital to maintaining that arsenal. You shut down the labs, you may as well just dismantle the weapons. They simply cannot be maintained without the research and testing infrastructure. They're also vital for a whole bunch of science and technology research, as I'm sure you're aware. One of the labs tests and validates a lot of critical infrastructure security technology. I wonder if Paul would abolish the NRC and allow the industry to self-regulate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 09:26 AM) Pretty sure he hates on Huntsman mostly to egg me on. As for Ron Paul, I can't believe I am defending the guy again, but need to clarify yet another falsehood from Reddy... Paul served ACTIVE Air Force as a surgeon for 2 tours of duty. Then he went to the National Guard. Reddy has this odd tendency, when he hones in on something he doesn't like, to try to add to his position by making things up and/or being selective in his acceptance of which facts he likes and doesn't. If Huntsman were to somehow win the primary lottery and win the nomination - which is incredibly unlikely - he would definitely have my vote. Romney I am on the fence about, I don't like the guy, but I think as President he is likely to be more like the centrist version of Romney than the far-right one he acts like in the primaries. And I'd be OK with that. Paul is intriguing, but he just has too many bats*** crazy ideas for me to vote for him. Anyone else from the GOP field wins, and I'm voting for Obama. If you're looking for a centrist Republican, vote Obama! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 03:11 PM) ultra liberal my thumb. This it's between center right and far far right... Anyone who thinks Obama or Clinton are "ultra liberal" really don't know what that word means.To call Obama a socialist is down right laughable and needs to understand what socialism means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 09:52 AM) If you're looking for a centrist Republican, vote Obama! LOL, I get your point, but I'd still call him center-left. Not even mainline Dem, slightly centrist from there. I'll probably get some Republicans in a rage with this, but someone like Reagan policy-wise would be to the left of every candidate in the current GOP Prez field. Huntsman is the closest to center, and even he is probably just to the right of Reagan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 09:26 AM) Pretty sure he hates on Huntsman mostly to egg me on. As for Ron Paul, I can't believe I am defending the guy again, but need to clarify yet another falsehood from Reddy... Paul served ACTIVE Air Force as a surgeon for 2 tours of duty. Then he went to the National Guard. Reddy has this odd tendency, when he hones in on something he doesn't like, to try to add to his position by making things up and/or being selective in his acceptance of which facts he likes and doesn't. If Huntsman were to somehow win the primary lottery and win the nomination - which is incredibly unlikely - he would definitely have my vote. Romney I am on the fence about, I don't like the guy, but I think as President he is likely to be more like the centrist version of Romney than the far-right one he acts like in the primaries. And I'd be OK with that. Paul is intriguing, but he just has too many bats*** crazy ideas for me to vote for him. Anyone else from the GOP field wins, and I'm voting for Obama. I hope you're right about Romney. He reminds me too much of McCain, where I liked and respected him and his policies until each became a serious contender for the presidency. At that point (McCain in 2008/Romney in 2012), they backed off of their histories and started to say anything they thought would help them win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 10:52 AM) I hope you're right about Romney. He reminds me too much of McCain, where I liked and respected him and his policies until each became a serious contender for the presidency. At that point (McCain in 2008/Romney in 2012), they backed off of their histories and started to say anything they thought would help them win. Which is funny because they tend to distance themselves from moderate voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 09:52 AM) If you're looking for a centrist Republican, vote Obama! I was willing to give Obama a chance (as I said before, I'd consider myself more of a Democrat than a Republican), but I can't vote for him in 2012. While he isn't to blame for all of it, things have gotten worse under his watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 10:54 AM) I was willing to give Obama a chance (as I said before, I'd consider myself more of a Democrat than a Republican), but I can't vote for him in 2012. While he isn't to blame for all of it, things have gotten worse under his watch. Change for change's sake isn't always a good plan. Not saying Obama deserves it, but I don't think any of these GOP candidates are what this country needs. What I DO think this country needs is Campaign Obama...not President Obama. If he does win a second term, I think you are going to see more of Campaign Obama. Because as was said so eloquently in the movie The American President, "...I was so busy keeping my job I forgot to do my job." And I think pretty much every president since Reagan probably falls into this category...and maybe even before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 11:38 AM) Change for change's sake isn't always a good plan. Not saying Obama deserves it, but I don't think any of these GOP candidates are what this country needs. What I DO think this country needs is Campaign Obama...not President Obama. If he does win a second term, I think you are going to see more of Campaign Obama. Because as was said so eloquently in the movie The American President, "...I was so busy keeping my job I forgot to do my job." And I think pretty much every president since Reagan probably falls into this category...and maybe even before. I get that logic, but I can't support it or him. After thinking it over, I'd consider voting for Romney on the chance that he might revert back to his old ways, but I will not vote for Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 What do you like about Romney? What policies would you hope he would implement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 11:38 AM) Change for change's sake isn't always a good plan. Not saying Obama deserves it, but I don't think any of these GOP candidates are what this country needs. What I DO think this country needs is Campaign Obama...not President Obama. If he does win a second term, I think you are going to see more of Campaign Obama. Because as was said so eloquently in the movie The American President, "...I was so busy keeping my job I forgot to do my job." And I think pretty much every president since Reagan probably falls into this category...and maybe even before. Eh, I think Bush I wasn't like that. He destroyed his reelection chances by raising taxes, which was the right move even though it was unpopular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 12:24 PM) What do you like about Romney? What policies would you hope he would implement? His tenure as governor of Massachusetts. If the choice is him or Obama, I still might just stay at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 12:37 PM) Eh, I think Bush I wasn't like that. He destroyed his reelection chances by raising taxes, which was the right move even though it was unpopular. H.W. gets a bad rap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 01:01 PM) H.W. gets a bad rap. I tend to agree. Certain Presidents seem to look better or worse years after they left office. For me, both HW and Clinton have looked better over time... Reagan and W worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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