Official 2010-2011 NCAA Football Thread

[RockRaines]

Playing a good (and ranked) Nevada team versus playing a terrible Michigan team will do that to you.

 

I didn't post this in reaction to any other discussion here. I'm saying that OSU will probably be the second Big Ten team in a BCS bowl, whereas Boise State won't, despite having a similar SOS and more quality wins. End of the day it's about money, but if I'm a Boise State fan I'd be mad too.

 

And the strength of the WAC has nothing to do with it. SoS clearly evened out over the season.

The only reason they are ranked higher right now is because of when Boise lost. When OSU lost to Wisco they were thrown down to #11 which would probably put them out of the BCS picture.

 

And if you really think Boise's schedule was harder meaning they played better and more talented teams, well then thats your prerogative. They are trying to trade up by moving a to the MWC, which is the conference TCU is leaving because its still not a relevant conference. That shows you where the WAC is in comparison.

[RockRaines]

Iowa s***ting their pants during the second half of the season probably hurt OSU's strength of schedule significantly.

However Iowa is probably as good as anything that Boise played this season. They are judged purely on record which is not always a good indicator of team strength and talent.

[danman31]

Big 12 needs to ratchet up pursuit of Notre Dame.

Eww. Really?

[chimpy2121]

From Warchant:

"After the defeat, the Florida Gators’ football team trashed the visitor locker room. Incidents such as ripping off soap dispensers, throwing and damaging chairs."

 

I can't really say that I'm surprised.

[iamshack]

However Iowa is probably as good as anything that Boise played this season. They are judged purely on record which is not always a good indicator of team strength and talent.

Dunno about that...I think Virginia Tech and Nevada are both better teams than Iowa this season.

[Heads22]

The Big East is a BCS conference with major media market cash for all of the other sports.

 

The Big 12 may have better overall athletics, but it doesn't have the same attraction.

 

The Big East is Maria Sharapova, the Big 12 is Venus Williams.

 

That's some pretty heavy glorification for a conference that SUCKS at football, which is what drives the whole thing.

 

 

 

 

A TV market difference between the Big East and the Big 12 isn't much. The Big 12 has 7 of the top 50 media markets, and that doesn't include Albuquerque which is mainly a Big 12 city as well.

 

However, I don't see any reason Notre Dame would join a conference unless they are allowed to keep their current TV contract and benefit from a conference contract. Texas will be making 15M with it's own network, plus whatever ESPN gives the Big 12-2 in a network in a year or so. Any big program joining the shotgun conglomeration of a conference called the Big 12 would be a mistake. Missouri, Kansas, Texas Tech, A&M, and even Texas will continue flirting with other conferences or independence in the next few years.

 

You have to think the Big 12 is exploring it with allowing schools to pursue their own TV contracts. Especially with the new TV contract, the Big 12 is safe going forward for awhile.

 

 

 

 

Eww. Really?

 

Gotta do their due diligence.

 

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I don't see ND joining a conference, but the Big 12 is not a horrible fit if they don't join the Big Ten.

 

[Chisoxfn]

However Iowa is probably as good as anything that Boise played this season. They are judged purely on record which is not always a good indicator of team strength and talent.

Absolutely agree. I think Iowa on any given Saturday could beat a whole lot of teams. Unfortunately, Iowa didn't execute when needed at the end of games.

[iamshack]

Absolutely agree. I think Iowa on any given Saturday could beat a whole lot of teams. Unfortunately, Iowa didn't execute when needed at the end of games.

Well of course they could. A lot of teams "on any given Sunday" could beat a whole lot of teams. That doesn't change the fact that Iowa lost to every team they played worth a damn outside of MSU. And they have some horrible losses in Northwestern and now Minnesota.

 

Just because they are very capable certainly doesn't mean anything if they don't play up to their capabilities time and time again.

[Chisoxfn]

Well of course they could. A lot of teams "on any given Sunday" could beat a whole lot of teams. That doesn't change the fact that Iowa lost to every team they played worth a damn outside of MSU. And they have some horrible losses in Northwestern and now Minnesota.

 

Just because they are very capable certainly doesn't mean anything if they don't play up to their capabilities time and time again.

I don't disagree with that. They are still better than pretty much every team Boise State and/or TCU played.

[iamshack]

I don't disagree with that. They are still better than pretty much every team Boise State and/or TCU played.

Better on paper?

[kjshoe04]

I don't disagree with that. They are still better than pretty much every team Boise State and/or TCU played.

I'm pretty sure Va tech and Nevada are both better teams than Iowa. Iowa lost to Minnesota and Northwestern. Sorry, but they just aren't very good this year.

[GoodAsGould]

I'm pretty sure Va tech and Nevada are both better teams than Iowa. Iowa lost to Minnesota and Northwestern. Sorry, but they just aren't very good this year.

 

I agree with Va Tech being better but dont think Nevada is. I would say Boise/Iowa prob be a coinflip.

[kjshoe04]

I agree with Va Tech being better but dont think Nevada is. I would say Boise/Iowa prob be a coinflip.

I'd say Boise wins at least 7 out of 10 against Iowa.

[iamshack]

I'd say Boise wins at least 7 out of 10 against Iowa.

I don't think people are familiar enough with Nevada to know. They have one of the best offenses in the country.

 

Boise would beat Iowa this year 9 out of 10 times, if not all 10 times, IMO.

 

They won 24 games in a row, people. You don't win that many games in a row, no matter what your schedule, unless you are a very, very good team.

 

Just ask Iowa that.

Edited November 30, 2010 by iamshack

[Capn12]

#1 - 42nd

#2 - 91st

#3 - 84th

#4 - 112th

#5 - 62nd

#6 - 118th

#7 - 114th

#8 - 41st

#9 - 92nd

#10 - 46th

#11 - 71st

 

Those are the total defense ranks of the teams the "very, very good" Boise State team beat. Darn impressive to score loads of points on those teams, I agree!

[Soxbadger]

Boise would beat Iowa this year 9 out of 10 times, if not all 10 times, IMO.

 

They won 24 games in a row, people. You don't win that many games in a row, no matter what your schedule, unless you are a very, very good team.

 

I gotta disagree with this.

 

The difference between BCS conference and non-BCS is staggering.

 

I am a Wisconsin fan, so I will use them as an example.

 

Since 2002 ( as far as ESPN goes back), Wisconsin has lost 1 game to a non-bcs team (2003 UNLV). I believe they are 23-1 in that span. Wisconsin is on average a solid Big 10 team, but by no means the best. Basically Wisconsin matched Boise's streak, over a 9 year span, with 2 different classes and no one cares because those are games a big program should NEVER lose.

 

I really have no doubt that most top SEC or Big 10 schools, would win 20+ out of 24 games. In fact most of the teams that Boise State beats, are considered teams that the BCS teams MUST beat. If they dont beat them its an upset.

 

Id say that if Iowa and Boise State played 100 times, I would expect Iowa to win 60% of the games.

[iamshack]

#1 - 42nd

#2 - 91st

#3 - 84th

#4 - 112th

#5 - 62nd

#6 - 118th

#7 - 114th

#8 - 41st

#9 - 92nd

#10 - 46th

#11 - 71st

 

Those are the total defense ranks of the teams the "very, very good" Boise State team beat. Darn impressive to score loads of points on those teams, I agree!

Has anyone argued that Boise played an extremely difficult schedule?

[kjshoe04]

Id say that if Iowa and Boise State played 100 times, I would expect Iowa to win 60% of the games.

You are out of your mind. Iowa lost to Minnesota, Northwestern, and an Arizona team that has beaten absolutely no one. Boise would not lose to any of those teams this year.

[SuperSteve]

I'm pretty sure Va tech and Nevada are both better teams than Iowa. Iowa lost to Minnesota and Northwestern. Sorry, but they just aren't very good this year.

Don't forget, VT lost to James Madison who had loses to Deleware, New Hampshire, Villanova, UMass and Richmond. Simply saying VT is better because Iowa lost to a good Northwestern team (before Persa got hurt) and Minnesota (alright, they do suck but would beat James Madison IMHO) isn't really sound reasoning. Northwestern was getting better before Persa hurt his achilles. They easily could have beaten MSU and Penn State (giving up huge leads).

 

VT benefited from a relatively easy schedule. Which would you rather face: #5 Wisconsin, #6 Ohio State, #8 Michigan State, Arizona and Penn State or #11 Boise State, #21 Florida State (who they play next week) and Miami?

 

 

[iamshack]

I gotta disagree with this.

 

The difference between BCS conference and non-BCS is staggering.

 

I am a Wisconsin fan, so I will use them as an example.

 

Since 2002 ( as far as ESPN goes back), Wisconsin has lost 1 game to a non-bcs team (2003 UNLV). I believe they are 23-1 in that span. Wisconsin is on average a solid Big 10 team, but by no means the best. Basically Wisconsin matched Boise's streak, over a 9 year span, with 2 different classes and no one cares because those are games a big program should NEVER lose.

 

I really have no doubt that most top SEC or Big 10 schools, would win 20+ out of 24 games. In fact most of the teams that Boise State beats, are considered teams that the BCS teams MUST beat. If they dont beat them its an upset.

 

Id say that if Iowa and Boise State played 100 times, I would expect Iowa to win 60% of the games.

Let me make something clear. I am not one of these people that doesn't recognize the difficulty of playing in a major conference and the cumulative effect that has. But this Boise team is very good. They're got excellent skill players and a very solid defense. Do all their recruits have the pedigree of a lot of the major conference teams? No. But they play within a system that works extremely well for them and that other "major conference" teams have recognized is just as difficult, if not more difficult to defeat as any major conference team.

 

I'm not arguing that many of these teams that play in weak conferences would fare the same if they played in the SEC or the Big Ten or the Pac 10. I'm just arguing that THIS particular Boise team can play with anyone in the country.

 

And one final point, all one has to do is watch Auburn to see that you don't have to have be stacked everywhere to win in a major conference. Auburn is a very average team. They just happen to have the nation's most impactful player playing the most impactful position in sports for them.

Edited November 30, 2010 by iamshack

[zenryan]

Don't forget, VT lost to James Madison who had loses to Deleware, New Hampshire, Villanova, UMass and Richmond. Simply saying VT is better because Iowa lost to a good Northwestern team (before Persa got hurt) and Minnesota (alright, they do suck but would beat James Madison IMHO) isn't really sound reasoning. Northwestern was getting better before Persa hurt his achilles. They easily could have beaten MSU and Penn State (giving up huge leads).

 

VT benefited from a relatively easy schedule. Which would you rather face: #5 Wisconsin, #6 Ohio State, #8 Michigan State, Arizona and Penn State or #11 Boise State, #21 Florida State (who they play next week) and Miami?

 

 

 

 

 

 

People overrate this James Madison loss. They lost 5 days after a huge emotional loss against Boise. We all know that if they played tomorrow VT would win big. VT got better as the season went on, Iowa played worse as the season progressed.

[Soxbadger]

Iowa lost to Minnesota, Northwestern, and an Arizona team that has beaten absolutely no one. Boise would not lose to any of those teams this year.

 

You dont know that, you have absolutely no proof how Boise would play in the same schedule as Iowa.

 

When is the last time Iowa lost to a non-BCS team?

 

You think Boise is the equivalent of a strong BCS program?

 

Try and find the last time Iowa lost to a non-BCS program.

 

There is a reason why teams like Michigan start the season 4-0, its because a major BCS conference is significantly more difficult down the line. Even the lowest program in your conference is likely to be in the top half, if not the best team in a non-BCS conference.

 

Does anyone here really think that the Nevada offense is more dynamic than Michigan? I dont even like Michigan, but Ill take Denard Robinson every day of the week over Kaepernick (even if the guy and the rb set the most rushing yard record over the pony express). If you watch the games it just isnt even close, I wish Boise would have played Wisconsin because that would have been a great test. Unfortunately its going to be TCU, who now doesnt even count as a non-bcs team (its not coincidence that TCU announces joining the Big East the week before the final BCS announcement, where there was talk of them getting jumped if one of the top 2 lose).

 

I dont think week in and week out Boise can stand with the top teams. I think theyd be a 500 team in the major conferences and we wouldnt be having this conversation.

[zenryan]

You dont know that, you have absolutely no proof how Boise would play in the same schedule as Iowa.

 

When is the last time Iowa lost to a non-BCS team?

 

You think Boise is the equivalent of a strong BCS program?

 

Try and find the last time Iowa lost to a non-BCS program.

 

There is a reason why teams like Michigan start the season 4-0, its because a major BCS conference is significantly more difficult down the line. Even the lowest program in your conference is likely to be in the top half, if not the best team in a non-BCS conference.

 

Does anyone here really think that the Nevada offense is more dynamic than Michigan? I dont even like Michigan, but Ill take Denard Robinson every day of the week over Kaepernick (even if the guy and the rb set the most rushing yard record over the pony express). If you watch the games it just isnt even close, I wish Boise would have played Wisconsin because that would have been a great test. Unfortunately its going to be TCU, who now doesnt even count as a non-bcs team (its not coincidence that TCU announces joining the Big East the week before the final BCS announcement, where there was talk of them getting jumped if one of the top 2 lose).

 

I dont think week in and week out Boise can stand with the top teams. I think theyd be a 500 team in the major conferences and we wouldnt be having this conversation.

 

 

Iowa lost to Western Michigan in 2007.

 

 

And I totally agree with your last comment about being a .500 team in a major conference. Did you see how dead Boise was at the end of the Nevada game? Teams over 8 conference games would wear them out. Sure they may pull off an upset but they could easily lose to a below average team because of the grind of the season. Boise has no clue on how hard it is to beat a 3-5 team that is sandwiched between two top 20 teams on the schedule.

Edited November 30, 2010 by zenryan

[kjshoe04]

You dont know that, you have absolutely no proof how Boise would play in the same schedule as Iowa.

 

When is the last time Iowa lost to a non-BCS team?

 

You think Boise is the equivalent of a strong BCS program?

 

Try and find the last time Iowa lost to a non-BCS program.

I don't know when they lost to a non-BCS team or what non-BCS programs they play. Apparently 2007.

 

Yes. I think they are at the same level as 1 or 2 loss BCS programs. I also believe Nevada has at least as good an offense as Michigan and a much stronger D.

Edited November 30, 2010 by kjshoe04

[Soxbadger]

I'm not arguing that many of these teams that play in weak conferences would fare the same if they played in the SEC or the Big Ten or the Pac 10. I'm just arguing that THIS particular Boise team can play with anyone in the country.

 

I dont think anyone disagrees that on any given Saturday Boise can win a game against a BCS school or even the best team in the nation.

 

I just dont believe you deserve that shot, unless you took shots yourself. If you put Iowa in the NC game, there is a chance they win. They were pretty close to beating Wisconsin they throttled MSU. But they dont deserve a chance. Boise has to do something to prove to me they are the best team in the country, and that means beating a full slate of BCS conference teams. It just would be doing the rest of the NCAA a disservice if they won the National Championship.

 

(Edit)

 

And the Iowa loss is the point, when teams lose even 1 game to a non-BCS its a huge upset. All Boise does is beat them, and people think that we should just give them a shot at a title?

Edited November 30, 2010 by Soxbadger