Heads22 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jan 1, 2011 -> 01:36 PM) Texas Tech just tried an onside kick up 21 late in the 3rd quarter. Didn't work. Well played Tuberville. Too bad it won't matter. I don't understand Tubs at all. I have no idea why he'd tempt fate with an unneeded onside kick. He's gotten f***ed over on onside kicks enough this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 The athletics department of Notre Dame is not allowed to recruit any athlete that the administration deems not academically sound enough to attend the school. They've recruited two "Prop-48" guys in the last 25 years: Tony Rice and Chris Zorich; only because Holtz begged the administration and promised that he'd make sure that they graduated. Every other questionable player recruit request has been turned down. I'm not saying that Mich/Texas/USC/Florida etc doesn't have good academics; I'm saying that ND can't recruit questionable players due to their academics like public universities do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 1, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) The athletics department of Notre Dame is not allowed to recruit any athlete that the administration deems not academically sound enough to attend the school. They've recruited two "Prop-48" guys in the last 25 years: Tony Rice and Chris Zorich; only because Holtz begged the administration and promised that he'd make sure that they graduated. Every other questionable player recruit request has been turned down. I'm not saying that Mich/Texas/USC/Florida etc doesn't have good academics; I'm saying that ND can't recruit questionable players due to their academics like public universities do. And I'm saying that it doesn't matter. They've done more than well enough recruiting, and would do even better if they've had teams worth a s*** the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 Kelly is the first coach since Parseghian to have a winning collegiate record before coming to ND. This season finishing at 8-5 is also the first time that Kelly has had an over .500 team in his first year at a new school. This includes the loss of their starting QB, RB, TE, and best WR for the majority of the season. I'm really excited about the next few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 1, 2011 -> 02:45 PM) Kelly is the first coach since Parseghian to have a winning collegiate record before coming to ND. This season finishing at 8-5 is also the first time that Kelly has had an over .500 team in his first year at a new school. This includes the loss of their starting QB, RB, TE, and best WR for the majority of the season. I'm really excited about the next few seasons. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Yeah Willingham had a winning record at Stanford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 1, 2011 -> 02:47 PM) ? Parseghian was 36-31 at NW before coming to ND. Devine was a losing NFL coach Faust was in HS Holtz was 10-12 at Min before coming to ND. Davie was a coordinator Willingham was 44-36-1 - mediocre Weis was a coordinator in the NFL I guess Willingham was over .500, but barely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jan 1, 2011 -> 01:51 PM) Yeah Willingham had a winning record at Stanford. I think every coach who coached collegiately prior to coming to ND had a winning record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 1, 2011 -> 01:53 PM) Parseghian was 36-31 at NW before coming to ND. Devine was a losing NFL coach Faust was in HS Holtz was 10-12 at Min before coming to ND. Davie was a coordinator Willingham was 44-36-1 - mediocre Weis was a coordinator in the NFL I guess Willingham was over .500, but barely. So 36-31 is better than 44-36? Holtz was 31-11-2 at NC State and 60-21-2 at Arkansas. Also, Devine was 27-3-1 at ASU and 92-38-7 at Mizzou. To complain he was a losing NFL coach is like saying a college program wouldn't double over to hire Pete Carroll right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 And for all the talk about not bringing in questionable players, Brian Kelly certainly has a well-rumored past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 1, 2011 -> 01:53 PM) Parseghian was 36-31 at NW before coming to ND. Devine was a losing NFL coach Faust was in HS Holtz was 10-12 at Min before coming to ND. Davie was a coordinator Willingham was 44-36-1 - mediocre Weis was a coordinator in the NFL I guess Willingham was over .500, but barely. Dan Devine was 120-40-8 as a collegiate head coach prior to coaching at ND. Lou Holtz was 120-65-5 as a collegiate head coach prior to coaching at ND. As you pointed out, Willingham was over .500 as a head coach prior to coaching at ND. There are no coaches who were head coaches at the collegiate level who were not over .500 prior to coming to ND betweem Parseghian and Kelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 where are the defenses, big 10? jeesh ....michigan, msu and NW couldn't stop a pee wee team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 A rough day for the Big 10 (yeah the NW/TT game was close). At least Penn State is staying with Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Michigan and Michigan State are awful. Thank you to Iowa for keeping Sparty out of a BCS bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 1, 2011 -> 04:07 PM) A rough day for the Big 10 (yeah the NW/TT game was close). At least Penn State is staying with Florida. Penn St is lucky to be playing a team with no QB and no imagination on offense. The 1942 Army team probably has more plays in their playbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 QUOTE (daa84 @ Jan 1, 2011 -> 04:00 PM) where are the defenses, big 10? jeesh ....michigan, msu and NW couldn't stop a pee wee team Michigan and NW couldn't stop anyone all year. Illinois could have beaten NW without throwing a single pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Legends division looking legendary. Iowa: W Michigan: L Michigan State: L Northwestern: L Nebraska: L Minnesota: Suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 1, 2011 -> 02:15 PM) You tell me? I honestly don't know. I'm going to take a team at random: USC They've been considered to be a "football factory" since 2002, so let's see how they compare: 2002: 15 Four Star recruits - 2 eventual NFL guys, Winston Justice and Mike Williams. 2003: 2 Five Star, 10 Four Star - Reggie Bush, Sedrick Ellis, Steve Smith, LenDale White. 2004: 8 Five Star, 6 Four Star - Keith Rivers, DeWayne Jarrett. 2005: 3 Five Star, 9 Four Star - Matt Leinart, Rey Maualuga, Brian Cushing. 2006: 5 Five Star, 14 Four Star - Taylor Mays. 2007: 6 Five Star, 10 Four Star - Joe McKnight...I guess he counts. I may be missing an OL or TE, but name recognition only, that's about it. 24 Five Star and 64 Four Star guys and they have maybe 10 or 11 NFL guys and possibly 4 Pro Bowlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 How many lower-ranked recruits have they turned into solid NFL-ers though? There's a lot of players who have come out of USC to the NFL who aren't on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Big Ten loses another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 1, 2011 -> 04:44 PM) How many lower-ranked recruits have they turned into solid NFL-ers though? There's a lot of players who have come out of USC to the NFL who aren't on that list. Our discussion was on 4 and 5 star recruits. I can research that too, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 lol, nice job Penn St. 3rd and 3 with over a minute left and they keep chucking it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 1, 2011 -> 04:45 PM) Our discussion was on 4 and 5 star recruits. I can research that too, I guess. Yeah, that's exactly what we were discussing but not exactly the spirit of it. The reason we got on this was that I asked what NFL-difference-makers Charlie Weis had turned out. Despite having somewhere between average and good recruiting classes, he hasn't really turned out any great ones that I can think of. USC has had more high level recruits, but it also seems like they've turned out a higher %age of NFL-ers out of their top recruits. On top of that, the medium and lower level recruits at SC have produced more NFL players, while I don't think that there's a lot of those at Notre Dame setpping up under Weis either. The reason why you ask this question at all is that in the recruiting game, it's the pictures of 5 nfl stars behind you that speak as much or more than anything you say. Weis seems to me like he got some number of solid prospects, but I don't think he ever really got the NFL-stars out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 And finally...a game I actually have some interest in... Very excited to see how TCU's defense holds up against Wisconsin's awesome running attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 Mike Williams Mike Patterson Shaun Cody Lofa Tatupu Matt Cassel Reggie Bush Matt Leinart Winston Justice Deuce Lutui LenDale White Frostee Rucker Dominique Byrd Darnell Bing David Kirtman LaJuan Ramsey Fred Matua Dwayne Jarrett Steve Smith Ryan Kalil Dallas Sartz Oscar Lua Sedrick Ellis Keith Rivers Sam Baker Lawrence Jackson Chilo Rachal Fred Davis Terrell Thomas John David Booty Thomas Williams Chauncey Washington Mark Sanchez Brian Cushing Clay Matthews Rey Maualuga Fili Moala Patrick Turner Kaluka Maiava Kyle Moore David Buehler Cary Harris Kevin Ellison . . . I can honestly say that I have never heard of 2/3rds of these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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