witesoxfan Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 There were several others around the internet that had Locker as the #1 prospect going into the season too, so I think it's kind of an internet thing for some reason. McShay is a total douche though. I don't want to say he knows nothing, but I think Kiper is far superior to him, and there are a lot of times that I think Kiper is a windbag that doesn't stop talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) Eh, it's not that bad of a decision for Luck. I'm fairly certain he comes from a well-off family and his dad played in the NFL, so 1) I'm sure he's not exactly hurting for money; and 2) if he's coming back, I'm sure his dad thinks it's a good idea as he played in the league himself and knows the pros/cons of coming out early. Furthermore, he'll finish up his degree from STANFORD, a premier institution. Even if he had some career-ending injury, I think he'll turn out fine. Sure, he won't have his $50M but I'm sure he can make a damn good life out of his situation. Also, you can be sure they'll take out a multi-million dollar insurance policy on him, so if he does have a serious injury, he'll still get a few million, which would set up most people pretty damn well. Edited January 6, 2011 by dasox24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 12:57 PM) There were several others around the internet that had Locker as the #1 prospect going into the season too, so I think it's kind of an internet thing for some reason. McShay is a total douche though. I don't want to say he knows nothing, but I think Kiper is far superior to him, and there are a lot of times that I think Kiper is a windbag that doesn't stop talking. #1 prospect this year, maybe. But even than that is a lot of preseason hooplah. All I know is that the NFL reportedly told Locker he graded outside of the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 03:51 PM) Take the money and run. I still haven't gotten an answer on the "What money" part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 04:02 PM) I still haven't gotten an answer on the "What money" part? Come on Balta, you're just assuming that a horrible lockout is certain. He's going to get his money, one way or another. And it'll be a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 01:02 PM) I still haven't gotten an answer on the "What money" part? I assume rookies will sign before hand. However, the threat of the lockout is a very very valid argument. I won't deny it at all and I would think that the NFL would have to provide some sort of assurances to rookies before I went pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 01:06 PM) Come on Balta, you're just assuming that a horrible lockout is certain. He's going to get his money, one way or another. And it'll be a lot. Pretty sure a horrible lockout is very very close to a certainty. Same thing for the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 04:09 PM) Pretty sure a horrible lockout is very very close to a certainty. Same thing for the NBA. Sure it's likely, but theres no way, as you mentioned above, that there won't be some sort of assurance to players coming out of college. And it's still possible that no regular season games will be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 But if you don't know and you aren't provided with assurances, than you might not get paid for an entire year. A year in which you play no football and aren't able to grow. The other way around, you further your education and can continue to make strides and get paid. The lockout is a pretty legitimate reason to stay in college or at least to consider staying in college. Again, depends on the circumstances and I can't pretend to be an expert on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 04:14 PM) But if you don't know and you aren't provided with assurances, than you might not get paid for an entire year. A year in which you play no football and aren't able to grow. The other way around, you further your education and can continue to make strides and get paid. The lockout is a pretty legitimate reason to stay in college or at least to consider staying in college. Again, depends on the circumstances and I can't pretend to be an expert on them. If I was an athlete coming out of college though, wouldn't you be scared that the potential money given for rookies could be much, much lower than it has been the last couple years. I would look at it as nothing has changed YET, so now is the time. And guys can definitely work out and train privately if there was no season. Obviously it's nothing like NFL practices and games, but look at what (ugh) Tebow did last year before he ever got paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 04:17 PM) If I was an athlete coming out of college though, wouldn't you be scared that the potential money given for rookies could be much, much lower than it has been the last couple years. I would look at it as nothing has changed YET, so now is the time. And guys can definitely work out and train privately if there was no season. Obviously it's nothing like NFL practices and games, but look at what (ugh) Tebow did last year before he ever got paid. But rookie contracts won't be able to be signed until there is a new CBA, and presumably whatever new rookie contract rules are written would start with this year's rookies. If they do things the way the should...the big contract for future rookies won't be based on college, it'll be their first extension, which means...the better you are, the more money you get. Hence; practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 01:17 PM) If I was an athlete coming out of college though, wouldn't you be scared that the potential money given for rookies could be much, much lower than it has been the last couple years. I would look at it as nothing has changed YET, so now is the time. And guys can definitely work out and train privately if there was no season. Obviously it's nothing like NFL practices and games, but look at what (ugh) Tebow did last year before he ever got paid. I think that would have been a better argument last year. I don't believe the players can sign under the current CBA, but I could be wrong. If they could, than that would be a huge counterpoint. It is like the NBA, they are saying that salaries are going to come down relatively significantly after this year so teams that gave big money out this past year, could end up getting hit pretty hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 04:25 PM) I think that would have been a better argument last year. I don't believe the players can sign under the current CBA, but I could be wrong. If they could, than that would be a huge counterpoint. You are correct. Once the end of Feb. Hits; everything in terms of contracts stops. No free agents can be signed to contracts, no contracts can be extended, no one can be traded. You can probably still retire. There is a clause in the CBA that allows the draft to happen under the previous rules if there is no signed CBA after Feb 28th, so teams can scout players and draft them, but after the draft, everything stops until there is a CBA signed. No OTA's, no workouts in team facilities, the doors are shut and locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 02:44 PM) Actually, this year's different. What happens if he comes out and there's a 6 month lockout? He doesn't practice or have access to training facilities until the lockout ends, then there's another month before he signs a contract...and there's no guarantee that there will even be a season next year. He could quite literally get more practice and playing time in the NCAA next year. He doesn't need more practice time. What is that going to get him? The #1 pick in the draft? Nothing to gain, lockout or not. And I doubt he's staying in because of the threat of a lockout. QUOTE (dasox24 @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 02:57 PM) Eh, it's not that bad of a decision for Luck. I'm fairly certain he comes from a well-off family and his dad played in the NFL, so 1) I'm sure he's not exactly hurting for money; and 2) if he's coming back, I'm sure his dad thinks it's a good idea as he played in the league himself and knows the pros/cons of coming out early. Furthermore, he'll finish up his degree from STANFORD, a premier institution. Even if he had some career-ending injury, I think he'll turn out fine. Sure, he won't have his $50M but I'm sure he can make a damn good life out of his situation. Also, you can be sure they'll take out a multi-million dollar insurance policy on him, so if he does have a serious injury, he'll still get a few million, which would set up most people pretty damn well. You can get that degree later. Logically, this whole thing doesn't make a lot of sense. Does he not want to play in the NFL? Edited January 6, 2011 by IlliniKrush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 04:26 PM) He doesn't need more practice time. What is that going to get him? The #1 pick in the draft? Nothing to gain, lockout or not. And I doubt he's staying in because of the threat of a lockout. You can get that degree later. Logically, this whole thing doesn't make a lot of sense. Does he not want to play in the NFL? He's already rich. He doesn't need money. He's one of the best (if not the best) player in the country. He's a hero at his school, growing his legacy each game that he play (can you imagine the tail this guy gets?) He's the front runner for the Heisman next year. His team has an outside shot of winning a national title. Oh, and he enjoys school and is excited about obtaining his degree from a prestigious university. On the other hand, he can go to the NFL and earn his millions but play for a terrible team for years and years and have to deal with constant negative media scrutiny and 1000 times the pressure. Pretty easy decision for me. Take out an insurance policy. Dude's gonna make tons of money no matter what he decides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 05:48 PM) He's a hero at his school, growing his legacy each game that he play (can you imagine the tail this guy gets?) He's the front runner for the Heisman next year. His team has an outside shot of winning a national title. Oh, and he enjoys school and is excited about obtaining his degree from a prestigious university. On the other hand, he can go to the NFL and earn his millions but play for a terrible team for years and years and have to deal with constant negative media scrutiny and 1000 times the pressure. Pretty easy decision for me. Take out an insurance policy. Dude's gonna make tons of money no matter what he decides. You can easily get a degree after you are done playing in the NFL or even take classes during the offseason and the quality of girls he would get as a star quarterback in the NFL with a 70+ million dollar contract are certainly higher than what he gets at Stanford if that is factoring into his decision at all. And there is no reason why Carolina would be terrible for years if Luck is as good as people think he might be. Bradford almost had his team in the playoffs this year, Manning had the Colts in the playoffs in year 2, and there are countless other examples. If you have an elite quarterback in the NFL you win games. And while you can take out an insurance policy, he won't make near the money of that policy that he would in the NFL. Now I don't have a problem with Luck staying in school because he enjoys the college lifestyle and wants to win a National Championship but it is a pretty big risk to stay at Stanford when you don't know who your coach is going to be and the ever present possibility of getting seriously injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Everyone seems to be assuming that there is a football season that happens this year. It hasn't sounded too optimistic so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 With the whole CBA thing looming, it's a pretty easy decision for him. Only reason I think Cam is leaving is because he has to. BTW, I know it's about a week late, but GO TCU! Told you they could play with anyone in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 06:50 PM) Everyone seems to be assuming that there is a football season that happens this year. It hasn't sounded too optimistic so far. Everyone? Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) JJ Watt declares for the NFL. Hope that he gets paid because from all accounts he is a great guy with a great story. After transferring from a smaller school with a scholarship, he walked on to Wisconsin and earned a scholarship his first year. He has great NFL size and can work as a DE in both 4-3 and 3-4. Edited January 7, 2011 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 05:54 PM) BTW, I know it's about a week late, but GO TCU! Told you they could play with anyone in the country. WHo said they couldnt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Redhawks looking good so far...Gotta actually play some defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 6, 2011 -> 07:56 PM) Redhawks looking good so far...Gotta actually play some defense. Rock, what are the odds of Guidry sticking around at Miami? His son is our starting FS - Janzen Jackson... Btw, I heard he gave one hell of a pregame speech before the game tonight. Wish I could have seen it. Everybody on the Tennessee message boards is talking about how awesome it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Oregon or Auburn tonight? Predictions, please.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Oregon will pick one quarter to score a ton of points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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