joeynach Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 06:40 PM) Not much. I did not catch from the start but it appeared nothing Damon related was mentioned. ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.J. Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 This has been alluded to, but I think we need to consider the real possibility that we're being used to increase the top bid on the table from Detroit. It's nothing personal, but Damon has shown that even as a 36 year old with two world series rings, he's still looking to take the top dollar on the market. Let's face it, if he were willing to play at a discount for any team, it would have been the Yankees. Same thing for playing at a discount to try and win another championship. He's overplayed his market, but he's clearly looking to get paid as much money as possible. As such, we're not going to get him unless we outbid all other teams, and if the Tigers are offering 2y/14M+ (like the last report said), I don't see us topping that.* So when we read that Damon is considering another offer from us, or that he might prefer a 1 year deal in Chicago, I don't see it. He'll go where the money is. I think it's valiant that we're trying to sign him because he probably won't be outrageously overpriced and he'd help us out a lot. But we've been used by Boras in negotiations before. Boras has planted stories with Atlanta and Detroit media outlets. Now he's planting another one in hopes of spurring on an interdivisional bidding war. I'll furiously update twitter hoping we make the deal, but when Scott Boras is involved, let's guard out expectations. * - (but here's a Devil's Advocate argument... weren't the tigers in a budgetary crunch a month ago? Didn't they have to unload an affordable young superstar outfielder? Now they're signing an expensive old outfielder? What was the point of the Granderson move then? Is it possible, in any way at all, that it's reversed, and the Tigers interest is being overplayed to drive up the price from us or Atlanta? Doubt it, but the INTRIGUE!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Indeed, I have been surprised by the Tigers interest. It's good to hear this but I'll believe it when I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Cowley finally caught up and reported the Sox interest 5 mins ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 03:10 PM) My big hope is that the money in the two year deal is low enough to where Damon thinks he can get more money in '11, so he jumps on the one year deal. Heyman seems to agree, he just mentioned that the Tigers' offer may be north of $14M over 2 years but that Damon may prefer a 1 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 05:58 PM) Heyman seems to agree, he just mentioned that the Tigers' offer may be north of $14M over 2 years but that Damon may prefer a 1 year deal. it would be interesting to see what a one year deal might come in at, this isn't a 29 year old coming off a down year or a major injury, this is a guy in his mid 30's who, even if he has another good year, will be a year older next offseason, he has a limited time to make that money back. If I had to guess he ends up with the Tigers for that 2 year somewhere around 14 or with the Tigers for a 1 year 10m. Edited February 12, 2010 by SoxFan562004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 06:58 PM) Heyman seems to agree, he just mentioned that the Tigers' offer may be north of $14M over 2 years but that Damon may prefer a 1 year deal. If it's just 1 year than overpay like crazy if need be. I've said this a billion times but this is the one remaining hole we have left on this ball club and he quite possibly could be the missing link to a championship(and yes I'm serious about this). As long as it's not going to hurt us in the future, which a 1 year contract wouldn't, then overpay if need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 QUOTE (joeynach @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 04:43 PM) Did anyone here honsestly think that KW would let an all star caliber player whose demands fell from 3 yrs 36 Mil to 1 year 5 mil go to the rival Tigers without trying to make a play here. He wouldnt be doing his job if he didnt try and get involved, not to mention the sox could actually use Damon. I really hope they can snatch him away from the tigers, it could mean the division for us. Kind of funny that he wouldn't let Damon go to Detroit for $5 mill but did let Thome go to Minnesota for $2 mill. I'm not trying to start a holy war, just that the reasoning behind it is illogical. You don't just show interest in a guy because a rival wants him, otherwise the Sox would have been interested in both Thome and Hudson too, and I'd consider the Twins the Sox biggest rival at the moment. Instead, I'd say the Sox are interested in Damon because they think he's a good player and the price is right. If the price becomes unreasonable, they'll drop out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy Kool Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 "It's more about doing due diligence than anything else,'' http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2010/02...fter_damon.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 it's weird that Cowley said the 7m would take the Sox out of the equation, but a month or two ago didn't JR say in an interview there's more money left if they feel there's a player who could help them win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 QUOTE (Big Daddy Kool @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 06:10 PM) "It's more about doing due diligence than anything else,'' http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2010/02...fter_damon.html That is such BS. It's a week away from Spring Training. The time to measure the market was a month ago or longer. The 'ol White Sox Dismiss PR Machine is gassed and ready to roll! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 06:28 PM) it's weird that Cowley said the 7m would take the Sox out of the equation, but a month or two ago didn't JR say in an interview there's more money left if they feel there's a player who could help them win? Yeah and Boyer just reiterated there is money to spend: "You know the model. Money in, down the hall to [general manager Kenny Williams], minus expenses, puts the players out on the field. So far, we are in pretty good shape. Season ticket-wise, our renewals were very strong. A lot has to do with the positiveness around the team. How we budgeted, we feel very confident, as we sit here right now, we feel confident we will be able to support a payroll that's north of $100 million. MLB.com: "There's also the ability built in for Williams to additions, even of the higher-end variety?" Boyer: "There certainly is." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 more importantly, do the Sox really need him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 06:40 PM) more importantly, do the Sox really need him? according to ozzie jr, no lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 06:40 PM) more importantly, do the Sox really need him? Is that even a question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 06:40 PM) more importantly, do the Sox really need him? No we are all set with Kotsay and Jones and Vizquel for DH. Print the series tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) If this is a bidding war, the Sox usually come in second or third. From what I've gathered on the internet, Heyman seems to be a pseudo spokesman for Boras, so this entire bidding war could be totally made up. On the other hand Illich seems to bust budgets before and I don't think he's going bankrupt any time soon, so perhaps Detroit is going to $14 million. I do think the Sox interest is genuine. I don't think like Cowley suggests that KW would be in it to drive up Detroits final price. If its a couple of million, its not going to bother Illich. At the very least we now know, if JR's comments and BB's comments earlier didn't drive it home, the Sox have some money to play with. I will say this, if Matsui is worth $6 million a year, and I think plenty of people would have been thrilled if the Sox got him for that price, Damon at $7 million isn't exactly overpaying, at least from a production point of view. Edited February 12, 2010 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I'm sure if KW wanted him he would of signed him by now... unless he was under the radar trying to get a good deal, Boras is just driving up the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 06:54 PM) If this is a bidding war, the Sox usually come in second or third. Yeah. If they could have only kept Konerko a few seasons back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 06:57 PM) Yeah. If they could have only kept Konerko a few seasons back... Yeah, and if you're comprehension skills were any better, you would have taken note of the word "usually", besides, if it was a bidding war for Konerko, the Sox wouldn't have won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 07:00 PM) Yeah, and if you're comprehension skills were any better, you would have taken note of the word "usually", besides, if it was a bidding war for Konerko, the Sox wouldn't have won. KW is just teasing us on this one, I think there is no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 QUOTE (b-Rye @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 06:56 PM) I'm sure if KW wanted him he would of signed him by now... unless he was under the radar trying to get a good deal, Boras is just driving up the price. Maybe not. Remember JR talking about dealing with Boras. His main complaint was how he drew everything out. It was too difficult to negotiate. Maybe that's whats going on. He's decided its time to make a decision, so the Sox decide to jump in and see how they stack up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 07:00 PM) KW is just teasing us on this one, I think there is no chance. Don't you just wish this could be like poker on TV and you could see everyone's offers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 07:00 PM) Yeah, and if you're comprehension skills were any better, you would have taken note of the word "usually", besides, if it was a bidding war for Konerko, the Sox wouldn't have won. Yeah, and if your comprehension skills were better, you would have taken note of the correct way to use "you're" and "your", genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 11, 2010 -> 08:05 PM) Don't you just wish this could be like poker on TV and you could see everyone's offers? Community Cards: Johnny Damon Pot Size: 14 Million Tigers to win the pot: 86% Sox to win the pot: 14% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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