Tigers Sign Damon - 1 yr, 8 mil; NTC

[Rowand44]

If you've heard what I've heard, you'd know that it would be foolish to give up on Adrian. The Sox have tried on multiple occasions and as of now the asking price is too high in their minds. That could change though, you never know.

And not that we have the deepest farm system but we have a top level catching prospect and a top level starting pitching prospect and that will at least put you in the running for an elite talent like AGon. Obviously they're going to want more than that but that's a pretty damn good starting point.

[WCSox]

You do realize that Pierre hasn't put up those types of numbers for more then a two month span in about 5 years, right?

 

Pierre hit .308, put up a .365 OBP, and stole 30 bases in 380 ABs last season. Thanks for playing.

Edited February 19, 2010 by WCSox

[nitetrain8601]

I'm not reading through 60 something pages since it last was since I posted. What has transpired?

[MattZakrowski]

I'm not reading through 60 something pages since it last was since I posted. What has transpired?

 

Lillibridge for Pujols. I'm cautiously optimistic.

[knightni]

Lillibridge for Pujols. I'm cautiously optimistic.

I hope St Louis can include the cash to pay for Pujols' deal like they said they would if we tossed in Randy Williams.

[bigruss]

Pierre hit .308, put up a .365 OBP, and stole 30 bases in 380 ABs last season. Thanks for playing.

Wow, just wow. Look at his month by month splits, he is not that player, he had one really good month and then was back to his career averages.

[GreatScott82]

So Kenny 'will talk about this on sunday'. Is that after or before he signs with Detroit? Heyman thinks it will likely be Detroit because of money. Cowley still has the sox as front funners. Mark Gonzales' source that says 'they have a good shot at getting him'. A Rosenthal source believes that a deal may be close with the Sox. Bruce Levine doesn't think its going to happen.

 

Okay so what the hell is going on? Why wait until Sunday to talk Kenny? Is that his unofficial deadline to make a deal? Who has the most reliable sources?

[knightni]

Okay so what the hell is going on?

 

It may be almost time for you to change your avatar again, unfortunately.

[bmags]

The Dodgers have a lot more money than we do and were stupid to pay Pierre what they did. Hence their decision to eat half of his remaining contract. Also remember that Pierre was only on the bench because of Manny. I can't think of many players that would beat out Manny for a spot in LF. Pierre was also outstanding during Manny's suspension (.360 OBP).

 

Yes, and getting Adrian Gonzalez would be the reason in this scenario you are forcing upon me to bench Pierre. It's pretty reasonable

 

Damon in RF? Are you f'n kidding me? Have you seen his arm recently? He'd be worse than Pods in RF.

 

Okay, again in this hypothetical, you are adding in Carlos Quentin getting injured. And again, there are worse things than having adrian gonzalez at 1b, PK at DH, and that OF. I don't know how long in this hypothetical you are saying Quentin will be injured for. But in the short term you can live with that defense.

 

The Sox would get 1.5 years of AGon. He has a $5.5M club option for 2011.

 

Edited February 19, 2010 by bmags

[knightni]

I've never seen a 6-time duplicate post like that before, bmags. That's got to be worth a prize somehow.

[fathom]

Exhibit number 1,050 why Bruce Levine is a tool: on the radio today, he said that even though Damon has told people the Sox are the team he wants to play for, Levine also made a comment that he's probably told that to Detroit players as well. Do you know how many f***ing times Levine has said something along the lines of "X player only wants to play for the Cubs"!!

[103 mph screwball]

Why wait until Sunday to talk Kenny? Is that his unofficial deadline to make a deal? Who has the most reliable sources?

 

My guess is that is the day that the Sox withdraw their offer if Damon has not decided or Boras is still playing games.

[southsider2k5]

So Kenny 'will talk about this on sunday'. Is that after or before he signs with Detroit? Heyman thinks it will likely be Detroit because of money. Cowley still has the sox as front funners. Mark Gonzales' source that says 'they have a good shot at getting him'. A Rosenthal source believes that a deal may be close with the Sox. Bruce Levine doesn't think its going to happen.

 

Okay so what the hell is going on? Why wait until Sunday to talk Kenny? Is that his unofficial deadline to make a deal? Who has the most reliable sources?

 

Kenny Williams

[bmags]

I've never seen a 6-time duplicate post like that before, bmags. That's got to be worth a prize somehow.

 

welcome to brazilian internet, where when it seems you are just waiting thirty goddamn minutes for the page to change, the internet is actually disconnecting and reconnecting and sending the same data over and over again.

 

edit: like right now, i can't edit my above post...pretty tight.

Edited February 19, 2010 by bmags

[Dick Allen]

My guess is that is the day that the Sox withdraw their offer if Damon has not decided or Boras is still playing games.

 

 

Boras is the master at drawing things out and he usually has top of the line big money clients, so by dragging it out he maximizes contracts because teams bidding wind up not being able to do other deals while they negotiate with him so they wind up needing to sign his player and usually paying a little more for them. Damon right now isn't in that boat but he's still dragging things out even though its probably making him no money but keeping his name in the news.

 

When I first read Gregors blog, I thought it meant, like he thinks it meant, that Damon was a Tiger. The more I think about it, I think you may be correct. The Sox probably gave them a deadline to accept the offer. It probably is Sunday. The way Boras drags things out, KW can be pretty confident he won't hear anything positive before then in which he would pretty much be required to comment. I hope they get him. I don't think they will, but, and usually I couldn't care less about this because at this level its results not effort that matters, I am pleased with the effort. If he chooses Detroit, the Sox gave it a whirl. I hope they continue to try to get some offense. They shouldn't wait for the inevitable to occur like with Wise and Fields last year. They need every win they can get.

[fathom]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...n-decision.html

 

All signs seem to be pointing to Detroit, especially with AJP bringing up the Spring Training location issue. At this point, I just want a decision. I still think Blalock could be a cheaper, and potentially better option.

[Pants Rowland]

Given that I was only 7 years old at the time I knew very little about the 1994 team so I recently looked up the standings. The Sox were only a single game up in the division and 3.5 games up in the wild card and tied for the 3rd best record in baseball on August 10th, the Yankees and their 6 hitters with an .800+ OPS had the best record in the AL. The way Sox fans talk about this team I just assumed they were way up in the division and held the best record in the AL. Regardless of how incredible people think that team was they were barely holding on to a playoff spot with the absolutely stacked (7 hitters with an .800+ OPS) Indians right on their ass and 2 months to go, I am now convinced that Sox fans are delusional.

 

Sorry for the delayed response but I will have to interject here. That was definitely the best White Sox team I have ever seen, no matter how hot memorable and special the 2005 team was. I will agree that the Expos were performing on a level that had not been seen in ages so who knows how the series turns out. However, with respect to the AL, I don't care what the standings were or how many/few games up the Sox were when the strike hit. The Indians and Yankees may have had stacked lineups, but the White Sox were clearly the class of the AL. They just came off a tough loss in the ALCS and responded by improving what was an average offense to go along with a solid defense and a phenomenal staff. The Indians did not have the pitching to keep pace over the long haul and the Yankees better record meant absolutely nothing. The Yankees were still learning what it takes to be a champion. This has nothing to do with delusions.

[GreatScott82]

All they really need is a left handed hitter to put up Carl Everett type numbers (05 version w/ a slightly better average) to balance the lineup nicely. Johnny Damon does just that-

 

In the 3 hole- Everett hit .251 with 23 HR and 87 RBI in 135 games.

 

I think if you bat Damon third, you can get similar production if not better. I guess we'll find out by sunday.. .

Edited February 19, 2010 by GreatScott82

[GreatScott82]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...n-decision.html

 

All signs seem to be pointing to Detroit, especially with AJP bringing up the Spring Training location issue. At this point, I just want a decision. I still think Blalock could be a cheaper, and potentially better option.

6 more weeks to spend with the family . . yeah he is most likely going to choose Detroit.

[chw42]

So we went from front runners to being where we were about 3 days ago. Sigh...

[fathom]

So we went from front runners to being where we were about 3 days ago. Sigh...

 

I wonder who Boras bribed in the Sox front office to tell Cowley and Gonzales that the team is confident they'll sign him?

[ThunderBolt]

Pierre hit .308, put up a .365 OBP, and stole 30 bases in 380 ABs last season. Thanks for playing.

What do you say you reread my post, look at Pierre's numbers for more then the limited sample size of two months last year, and then be less snotty to me in your next response?

Edited February 19, 2010 by Thunderbolt

[WCSox]

Wow, just wow. Look at his month by month splits, he is not that player, he had one really good month and then was back to his career averages.

What, you mean that Pierre is the only player who doesn't put up the exact same numbers every month? Say it ain't so!

 

Pierre put up a .455 OBP in March/Arpil, a .435 OBP in may, and a .413 OBP in August. Those three months accounted for 262 of his 380 at-bats, and that's pretty freaking impressive for a guy who didn't play regularly for much of the season. Some of you people need to do your homework before posting.

 

Yes, and getting Adrian Gonzalez would be the reason in this scenario you are forcing upon me to bench Pierre. It's pretty reasonable

 

Okay, again in this hypothetical, you are adding in Carlos Quentin getting injured. And again, there are worse things than having adrian gonzalez at 1b, PK at DH, and that OF. I don't know how long in this hypothetical you are saying Quentin will be injured for. But in the short term you can live with that defense.

 

Yeah, I basically agree that, aside from roster and defensive issues, having Damon and AGon on the Sox would be a good thing. My overarching point is that you're way too focused on DH, OBP/OPS, and 2010. If you take DH out of the equation, the lineup isn't that bad at all. The Sox also have a team with much better pitching and much better defense than the vast majority of last year. A healthy Quentin and a productive Rios alone will ensure that they're better than 12th of 14th in offensive production.

 

[WCSox]

What do you say you reread my post, look at Pierre's numbers for more then the limited sample size of two months last year, and then be less snotty to me in your next response?

 

No, I think I'll ignore your elitist rhetoric, incorrect statements, and flawed statistical analysis instead.

 

[knightni]

Relax, guys...