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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 8, 2010 -> 02:47 PM)
The O-line is just scary right now.

 

I'm willing to give them time as I think they know they have to address it. At least knowing Williams is in LT, Manumaliuna as another OL/TE sort of speak, and Kruetz will be at C (not to mention having surgery, so he'll be healthy for the first time in 3 years) is nice to know though I like Beekman alot at C too. Garza will be one of the G I believe (probably our best O-Lineman last year, though that is not saying much at all), we'll see after that. I don't believe we'll see Omiyale/Shaffer at RT and of course we need another G.

 

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Mar 8, 2010 -> 02:57 PM)
and I have a hard time trusting Brian Urlacher. Even if he does stay healthy, he'll be 32 years old next season, which is of course ancient by NFL standards.

 

Eh.. "ancient" might be a bit of a stretch, but I know what you mean as I keep reminding myself that. But I see soon to be 35 year old Ray Lewis still getting it done, so I'm okay with Brian, not to mention he was injured all of last season, so he'll have fresh legs/body more-so than a guy who was playing all 16 games even with the off-season.

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QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 8, 2010 -> 02:57 PM)
I'm willing to give them time as I think they know they have to address it. At least knowing Williams is in LT, Manumaliuna as another OL/TE sort of speak, and Kruetz will be at C (not to mention having surgery, so he'll be healthy for the first time in 3 years) is nice to know though I like Beekman alot at C too. Garza will be one of the G I believe (probably our best O-Lineman last year, though that is not saying much at all), we'll see after that. I don't believe we'll see Omiyale/Shaffer at RT and of course we need another G.

They are 1G 1 Tackle and 1/2 a center short right now. Olin is just about done, and the entire right side could be a hole at this point depending on where Garza ends up. Lets not forget however how terrible of a pass blocker he is as well.

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QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 8, 2010 -> 03:57 PM)
I'm willing to give them time as I think they know they have to address it. At least knowing Williams is in LT, Manumaliuna as another OL/TE sort of speak, and Kruetz will be at C (not to mention having surgery, so he'll be healthy for the first time in 3 years) is nice to know though I like Beekman alot at C too. Garza will be one of the G I believe (probably our best O-Lineman last year, though that is not saying much at all), we'll see after that. I don't believe we'll see Omiyale/Shaffer at RT and of course we need another G.

 

I think Garza and especially Olin are washed up, which are my biggest worries with the line. I still kind of like Beekman and Williams though (as long as Williams is played in position, which he will be), but the line as currently constructed will not work with this offense. An upgrade, maybe two is needed.

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 8, 2010 -> 02:59 PM)
They are 1G 1 Tackle and 1/2 a center short right now. Olin is just about done, and the entire right side could be a hole at this point depending on where Garza ends up. Lets not forget however how terrible of a pass blocker he is as well.

 

We'll see with Olin. While I do agree with you (hell I was the one who suggested we trade Olin for a draft pick and insert Beekman there earlier in this thread) but when a guy has not been healthy for 3 years with his leg, and finally decided to have surgery to be 100%, that might be interesting to see. Garza was our best O-Lineman last year (again.. not saying much) so they can always put a pass blocking G on certain downs too. We regardless need more depth there, I hate our right side on the O-Line (I keep telling myself Omiyale is only 27, and was playing out of position) so hopefully that gets addressed. I'm glad we will have another guy blocking though on most downs. (Manumaliuna) I'm all for trading a 4th for one of those OG too.

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I found this very interesting....

 

Bears can pull the plug on Peppers after one year

Posted by Mike Florio on March 8, 2010 11:07 PM ET

We mentioned earlier tonight some of the details relating to the Julius Peppers deal. We've picked up some more information about the contract, and it's now clear that if the Bears clean house after the 2010 season, it'll be easier for the new regime to bid Peppers adieu.

 

As Peter King of SI.com pointed out this afternoon, Peppers gets $20 million in 2010 (all but a $100,000 workout bonus is guaranteed). But the $22 million in guaranteed money that he's due to receive in 2011 and 2012 is guaranteed for injury only.

 

This means that the Bears can decide after the 2010 season to cut Peppers for skill reasons -- and they'll owe him nothing.

 

Specifically, Peppers' 2011 base salary of $900,000 is guaranteed for injury at the time it's signed; on February 10, 2011, it becomes guaranteed for skill. Also, a $10.5 million roster bonus due in 2011 is guaranteed for injury at signing. On February 10, 2011, it becomes guaranteed for skill.

 

An $8.9 million base salary in 2012 is guaranteed for injury at signing and then for skill as of February 10, 2012.

 

Finally, $1.8 million of Peppers' 2013 base salary is guaranteed for injury only.

 

So, basically, if the Bears decide before February 10, 2011 that Peppers isn't what they thought he'd be, they can treat it as a one-year, $20 million deal, and walk away.

 

Also, by our calculations the actual guarantee is $42.0 million, which comes from a $6.5 million signing bonus, a $12.5 million roster bonus in 2010, a $900,000 guaranteed base salary in 2010, a $10.5 million guaranteed roster bonus in 2011, a $900,000 guaranteed base salary in 2011, a guaranteed base salary of $8.9 million in 2012, and a $1.8 million base salary guarantee in 2013.

 

Still, only $19.9 million of the money is guaranteed for skill. If the new coach and G.M. decide that Peppers doesn't have enough of it to justify the remaining money, Peppers could be out of more than $22 million that supposedly is destined to land in his bank account.

 

And there's also a chance that Peppers could be in trouble even if the current regime survives. If the Bears get to the postseason without much of a contribution from Peppers, coach Lovie Smith and G.M. Jerry Angelo likely will be back. But maybe they'll decide to cut their losses on Peppers.

 

BTW Clark resigned with the Steelers, not to mention they signed Randle-El and Will Allen.. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4976203 If the Steelers cut Limas Sweed, I would hope the Bears look into the 6'4 tall WR former 2nd round pick. Could be a diamond in the rough and the big WR the Bears (and Cutler) have been dying to get.

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Gilles is a pretty weak OG. The Eagles signed Stacey Andrews last off-season to be either a swing T or OG, can't remember for sure, but I think Gilles has been abused a few times by Jay Ratliff whenever we have played Philly.

 

Don't know much about Sims though.

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QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 8, 2010 -> 11:59 PM)
I found this very interesting....

 

That's definitely interesting. While it is possible Peppers will just dog it and/or suck this year, and thus the Bears would use that clause, I think it's more likely they put that in the contract in case they miss the playoffs again this year and want to clean house among the coaching staff and front office. If that is done, I see no reason why they'd keep Peppers around (unless he has a REALLY good year, and if he does, I'd expect them to be in the playoffs), and now we know they have an out.

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QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Mar 9, 2010 -> 02:11 AM)
That's definitely interesting. While it is possible Peppers will just dog it and/or suck this year, and thus the Bears would use that clause, I think it's more likely they put that in the contract in case they miss the playoffs again this year and want to clean house among the coaching staff and front office. If that is done, I see no reason why they'd keep Peppers around (unless he has a REALLY good year, and if he does, I'd expect them to be in the playoffs), and now we know they have an out.

There's another potential reason for that clause, the lockout.

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QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 8, 2010 -> 11:59 PM)
I found this very interesting....

 

 

 

BTW Clark resigned with the Steelers, not to mention they signed Randle-El and Will Allen.. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4976203 If the Steelers cut Limas Sweed, I would hope the Bears look into the 6'4 tall WR former 2nd round pick. Could be a diamond in the rough and the big WR the Bears (and Cutler) have been dying to get.

 

Limas is not the answer for anyone. He was given every opportunity to step in immediately and play beside Ward and Holmes, but he's extremely lazy and has hands of stone. Basically he's the prototype UT receiver over the years.

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QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 8, 2010 -> 11:59 PM)
I found this very interesting....

 

 

 

BTW Clark resigned with the Steelers, not to mention they signed Randle-El and Will Allen.. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4976203 If the Steelers cut Limas Sweed, I would hope the Bears look into the 6'4 tall WR former 2nd round pick. Could be a diamond in the rough and the big WR the Bears (and Cutler) have been dying to get.

 

SO if the cap comes back again, they could cut him and have zero impact on it? Wow.

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QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Mar 9, 2010 -> 05:16 PM)
49ers apparently signed David Carr. Is there anymore former 1st pick QB busts that the 49ers can gather?

Just 1st pick, or 1st round?

 

Ryan Leaf may not be doing much these days.

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QUOTE (Brian @ Mar 9, 2010 -> 04:11 PM)
Very inconsiderate question by me, If Gaines Adams doesn't die, do the Bears still get Peppers?

 

I don't find that question to be inconsiderate at all. I think the answer is no though, they'd have probably spent the money somewhere else.

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QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Mar 9, 2010 -> 10:12 PM)
I don't find that question to be inconsiderate at all. I think the answer is no though, they'd have probably spent the money somewhere else.

 

Yea I'm mixed on it.. Personally you could also ask if JA never makes that deal (to lose the 2nd rounder), does he get Julius anyway.

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QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 10, 2010 -> 12:38 AM)
Yea I'm mixed on it.. Personally you could also ask if JA never makes that deal (to lose the 2nd rounder), does he get Julius anyway.

 

With as many holes as this team has, I think he still does. Having that 2nd there as well would just make you feel better that 1 more hole could be filled.

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QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 9, 2010 -> 12:59 AM)
I found this very interesting....

 

 

 

BTW Clark resigned with the Steelers, not to mention they signed Randle-El and Will Allen.. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4976203 If the Steelers cut Limas Sweed, I would hope the Bears look into the 6'4 tall WR former 2nd round pick. Could be a diamond in the rough and the big WR the Bears (and Cutler) have been dying to get.

Sweed sucks, hard.

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QUOTE (lostfan @ Mar 10, 2010 -> 02:33 PM)
They didn't give near enough detail in that article for me to judge his character, plus, well he was 16 and it's not like it was rape, sexual assault, pedophilia etc.

 

 

No, it was incest with his 15 year old sister. I dont consider that to be much better

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