KipWellsFan Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Actual article http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236 Wow, I've only read the first few paragraphs, and wow, what a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 By the way, from the UCOMJ Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Unsurprisingly, McCrystal has offered to resign, according to Time's Joe Klein. What remains to be seen is whether that offer will be accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 (edited) Gen. McChrystal knows better. That's easy stuff, like Military 101. That said, McChrystal himself didn't really say that much that could be seen as derogatory or inflammatory, and most of that was said by his staff. Still, perception is reality. Why they decided to do the interview in the first place is anybody's guess. Edited June 22, 2010 by lostfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Because our president has one-upped him at every opportunity, through a lot of leaks (see newsweek story about a month ago... it's ok for THEM to leak and DIRECT quotes smearing this man but no direct qutoes whatsoever in Rolling Stone)? Because our president is a f***ing boob of a man? Because... oh whatever... let's just keep worshipping our Mess......... iah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Kap never ceases to ignore anything and everything that proves he is wrong in order to write down what kap feels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 It doesn't matter, every officer in the U.S. military knows this. He is the president. McChrystal is a subordinate. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 22, 2010 -> 07:18 PM) It doesn't matter, every officer in the U.S. military knows this. He is the president. McChrystal is a subordinate. The end. I bet Obama was just building a strawman and letting this situation get worse so he can come in and fix everything. Also, somehow redistribute the wealth. Don't talk s*** about superior officers/ commanders, period. That's like rule #1 in the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2010 -> 09:59 AM) So, it appears we have an insubordinate military commander running things in Afghanistan. Or at the very least, one who is very inarticulate in his choice of language used publicly to describe his civilian superiors. Link Private disagreements and even private jabs/insults/outright loathing, fine. But doing that in front of the press? I don't know how that isn't a firing offense. What a patriot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 22, 2010 -> 08:37 PM) I bet Obama was just building a strawman and letting this situation get worse so he can come in and fix everything. Also, somehow redistribute the wealth. Don't talk s*** about superior officers/ commanders, period. That's like rule #1 in the military. Well, everyone does. Just not in public. And especially not to a reporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 22, 2010 -> 07:42 PM) Well, everyone does. Just not in public. And especially not to a reporter. Yea, they do know this. Which tells me this whole thing is a set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 LOL. Of course it is. ffs, can you accept anything at face value without turning it into a massive Obama conspiracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 22, 2010 -> 09:08 PM) Yea, they do know this. Which tells me this whole thing is a set up. Or he did it on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 22, 2010 -> 08:32 PM) LOL. Of course it is. ffs, can you accept anything at face value without turning it into a massive Obama conspiracy? It may not be Obama directly in this case, but someone knew exactly what to say close to the general and virtually nothing was a direct quote - it was all "sources close to"... . Furthermore, the response was too quick (Gibbs was too much of a happy ass on this). They knew this was coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 23, 2010 -> 02:28 AM) It may not be Obama directly in this case, but someone knew exactly what to say close to the general and virtually nothing was a direct quote - it was all "sources close to"... . Furthermore, the response was too quick (Gibbs was too much of a happy ass on this). They knew this was coming. the RS article was all directly quoted. Shockingly, in modern day, news travels faster than the trains, in addition to the fact that reporters contact a range of sources, and likely the white house. Shocking! It's amazing this computer of mine is typing what keys my fingers are pushing in. What the hell is obama doing to my computer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 22, 2010 -> 09:32 PM) What the hell is obama doing to my computer? he has taken control of it (for security reasons) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 22, 2010 -> 09:32 PM) the RS article was all directly quoted. Shockingly, in modern day, news travels faster than the trains, in addition to the fact that reporters contact a range of sources, and likely the white house. Shocking! It's amazing this computer of mine is typing what keys my fingers are pushing in. What the hell is obama doing to my computer? Did you actually read the article? I didn't see any direct quotes from McChrystal relating to those comments about Obama, Biden, etc. I saw a whole lot of "an aide said" or "a top military strategist said." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jun 22, 2010 -> 09:38 PM) he has taken control of it (for security reasons) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 22, 2010 -> 09:28 PM) It may not be Obama directly in this case, but someone knew exactly what to say close to the general and virtually nothing was a direct quote - it was all "sources close to"... . Furthermore, the response was too quick (Gibbs was too much of a happy ass on this). They knew this was coming. It's White House communications job to know what stories are coming. This is terribly embarassing for the Obama administration, I don't understand how or why they'd have created this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Yeah... kap you're really talking out of your ass... if they wanted to get rid of McChrystal they don't need to make up stories and s***, they just do it. That's what they did to McKiernan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Basically, the entire RS article would have to be a fabrication for kap's point to make sense. Oh, and we'd need a reason why he immediately offered resignation instead of denying the allegations. And why Obama would want a headline story about top military doubting him and his administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 22, 2010 -> 10:52 PM) Did you actually read the article? I didn't see any direct quotes from McChrystal relating to those comments about Obama, Biden, etc. I saw a whole lot of "an aide said" or "a top military strategist said." The Biden/"Who's that" joking line was listed as a direct McCrystal quote. Some negative remarks about Ambassador Holbrooke were direct quotes. But the real thing that he did was openly question policy...not only that, he openly questioned policy basically after getting, for the most part, the President to agree with almost everything he wanted, as the article notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 I am sure that military leaders talk like this all the time, but you don't do it in the press, as lf said. Just plain stupid, and I really think McChrystal has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 23, 2010 -> 09:35 AM) I am sure that military leaders talk like this all the time, but you don't do it in the press, as lf said. Just plain stupid, and I really think McChrystal has to go. Supposedly, a lot of the quotes came about when McCrystal's aides, McCrystal, and the reporter were delayed by the volcano canceling a flight, and a case of bud light lime was broken out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2010 -> 08:37 AM) Supposedly, a lot of the quotes came about when McCrystal's aides, McCrystal, and the reporter were delayed by the volcano canceling a flight, and a case of bud light lime was broken out. Well, drinking Bud Light Lime should also be a firing offense, so get rid of his ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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