Reds Housecleaning

[LDF]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/stark_jayso...on/1586632.html

 

interesting read esp the pitchers available.

[Chisoxfn]

I'd love to deal with them if they are talking firesale.

[mac9001]

Scott Williamson would be nice.

[LDF]

willaimson, sullivan and white would be great............

 

how come only espn has this news on the reds wanting to get rid of specific players?

 

not one other sports site has this even as a rumor?

 

is kw listening or for that reading this, go and get your ass in the hunt and see what is wanted.

 

has to be a firesale.

[JoshPR]

Gabe white could be of some help outta pen as Williamson. Say no to Dempster tho.

[Rex Hudler]

Who ya gonna talk to though? They don't have a GM. I'll bet that they move no more than 2 of them.

[LDF]

Who ya gonna talk to though?  They don't have a GM.  I'll bet that they move no more than 2 of them.

the owners, maybe now eddie eihorn(sp) can play gm again and make a trade.

[dasox24]

I'd love to have Scott Williamson! He would be a great addition to our bullpen!

[YASNY]

If the Red's ownership wants them gone, someone will trade them. They only have a few days to do so.

[Jim Fainter]

Now, that is a f***ed up franchise.

 

Regarding those four pitchers that must go, three of them have hefty contracts, so they probably won't get much. I think if GM's ever come back to Earth as another animal after death, it will be a vulture. Next 2-3 days will be interesting.

[winninguglyin83]

Reds have two assistant GMs who are making the moves until they pick a new GM after the World Series.

 

The word is that it was OWNERSHIP that wants those four salaries going, going, gone.

 

Heck, they already took D'Angelo.

 

If one of those pitchers comes cheaply, grab him.

 

But the Reds have zero pitching in their farm system and my guess is they will ask for a Class A level arm.

[Chisoxfn]

They will be absolutely unloading. Expect a huge firesale in Cinncy.

 

Gabe White, Williamson, etc...gone. Probably Danny Graves too. Don't know if he's been healthy or really how he's done as a starter, but if he's healthy he'd be an AWESOME pickup for the pen.

[LDF]

if we don't overpay, i am willing to part with wing, rauch, malone, diaz, miller, pacheco and i would even throw in honel and cotts if the deal was soooo good to pass up. keep the AA and A pitchers untouch.

 

i mean getting more than 1 pitcher from them.

 

except for a couple of pitchers in AA most of those in AAA are trade bait.

 

but our club is in such trouble with immediate help from the minors is not there.

[winninguglyin83]

I wouldn't rush to give up on Wing. Lefties have value. Same thing on Malone. His control problems seem formidable and he's had injury problems, but there's talent there.

 

The Reds might take somebody like Glover. He'd be a Number Three starter for them.

[LDF]

I wouldn't rush to give up on Wing. Lefties have value. Same thing on Malone. His control problems seem formidable and he's had injury problems, but there's talent there.

 

  The Reds might take somebody like Glover. He'd be a Number Three starter for them.

wait a minute here, you are talking about

williamson, 27 a right hander 26 saves, a whip of 1.3+ and 1.5 mil a yr

sullivan a right hander who is a long rp 6 wins 0 loses 1 bs a whip of 1.3+ 2.8 mil

white, a lefty 3 wins 0 loses 0 bs whip of 1.22

 

and you are worried about losing a lefty in the deal.

 

these guys are pitching now and with some success on the major league level now. in addition they can

help us in the next couple of yrs. where those pitchers you mention may be a couple of yrs away if they

develop.

[aboz56]

I wouldn't rush to give up on Wing. Lefties have value. Same thing on Malone. His control problems seem formidable and he's had injury problems, but there's talent there.

 

  The Reds might take somebody like Glover. He'd be a Number Three starter for them.

wait a minute here, you are talking about

williamson, 27 a right hander 26 saves, a whip of 1.3+ and 1.5 mil a yr

sullivan a right hander who is a long rp 6 wins 0 loses 1 bs a whip of 1.3+ 2.8 mil

white, a lefty 3 wins 0 loses 0 bs whip of 1.22

 

and you are worried about losing a lefty in the deal.

 

these guys are pitching now and with some success on the major league level now. in addition they can

help us in the next couple of yrs. where those pitchers you mention may be a couple of yrs away if they

develop.

I agree about not giving up lefties. Why would we want to take on those salaries if we have to give up good prospects. That's not how it works these days. If we're going to take the salaries, they're not going to get good prospects.

[Chisoxfn]

I wouldn't rush to give up on Wing. Lefties have value. Same thing on Malone. His control problems seem formidable and he's had injury problems, but there's talent there.

 

     The Reds might take somebody like Glover. He'd be a Number Three starter for them.

wait a minute here, you are talking about

williamson, 27 a right hander 26 saves, a whip of 1.3+ and 1.5 mil a yr

sullivan a right hander who is a long rp 6 wins 0 loses 1 bs a whip of 1.3+ 2.8 mil

white, a lefty 3 wins 0 loses 0 bs whip of 1.22

 

and you are worried about losing a lefty in the deal.

 

these guys are pitching now and with some success on the major league level now. in addition they can

help us in the next couple of yrs. where those pitchers you mention may be a couple of yrs away if they

develop.

I agree about not giving up lefties. Why would we want to take on those salaries if we have to give up good prospects. That's not how it works these days. If we're going to take the salaries, they're not going to get good prospects.

Agreed

 

Right now under the current economics of the system, if a team takes on salary they'll give up a fringe guy at best unless they are getting a star in return. If they get a player for free and the other team pays most of the salary they will get a solid to great prospect in return (Depending on the player).

 

Considering the Sox didn't add payroll in the first two moves, I'd say they are going to be willing to add a few million this year, but the big question is whether they are willing to add it next year.

 

With Livan Hernandez, Kevin Jarvis and most of the relievers mentioned they have multi year deals that means that they really won't have to give up much cause they would be saving them salary this year and next year or even longer.

 

I'm pretty confident we'll see one trade made, and fairly confident that two more our made. I don't see the Sox adding more then two players unless they also are getting prospects. Sox will add a starting pitcher and/or a reliever.

[SweetJfour]

As nice as it would be to grab another pitcher from Cinncinati, I think there are teams out there with much better pitchers that we can get much cheaper than giving up a top prospect. I like the talk about Kevin Jarvis with San Diego or even Livan Hernandez with Montreal.

[LDF]

I wouldn't rush to give up on Wing. Lefties have value. Same thing on Malone. His control problems seem formidable and he's had injury problems, but there's talent there.

 

     The Reds might take somebody like Glover. He'd be a Number Three starter for them.

wait a minute here, you are talking about

williamson, 27 a right hander 26 saves, a whip of 1.3+ and 1.5 mil a yr

sullivan a right hander who is a long rp 6 wins 0 loses 1 bs a whip of 1.3+ 2.8 mil

white, a lefty 3 wins 0 loses 0 bs whip of 1.22

 

and you are worried about losing a lefty in the deal.

 

these guys are pitching now and with some success on the major league level now. in addition they can

help us in the next couple of yrs. where those pitchers you mention may be a couple of yrs away if they

develop.

I agree about not giving up lefties. Why would we want to take on those salaries if we have to give up good prospects. That's not how it works these days. If we're going to take the salaries, they're not going to get good prospects.

you have to remember that other teams may want to do the say thing. so we have to entice them

 

on the other hand, it has just been recently that in trades you give up fringe player or a player you are getting in rtn etc......... until this yr you haven't seen much of that.

 

i wouldn't count that as a hard and fast rule. these are very good players we are talking about.

[LDF]

As nice as it would be to grab another pitcher from Cinncinati, I think there are teams out there with much better pitchers that we can get much cheaper than giving up a top prospect.  I like the talk about Kevin Jarvis with San Diego or even Livan Hernandez with Montreal.

yeah right.