ThunderBolt Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 (edited) Gonzales recap of the game. http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...impression.html Edited March 2, 2010 by Thunderbolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 04:59 PM) Wow that first page of this thread is creepy. Striker, I'd swear some of these weirdos would kill you if they saw you; or 1 guy would hit you and the others would play follow whichever leader is more popular. I get your point; Coop gets credit for fixing guys, but avoids the doghouse when guys fail. I just think some guys can't put it all together and never will; not Coop's fault. Sure seems like enough guys put it together HERE that Coop deserves SOME credit. So I disagree with you, simple as that; without the creepy tirades. THERE IS NO MEASURING STICK FOR INTERNET RIGHTNESS, but man, so many of you want to build one. On a side note, I just bought an old table saw today for 100 bucks and it rocks, it rocks. It won't be used to build that pointless measuring stick tho, I can tell ya that. give me the name of ONE high-profile pitcher who failed besides Javy Vazquez (and that wasn't even a failure, guy was still a decent pitcher) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (Reddy @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 05:26 PM) give me the name of ONE high-profile pitcher who failed besides Javy Vazquez (and that wasn't even a failure, guy was still a decent pitcher) Na, I think the guy was talking about guys failing to reach their potential under Coop (Masset, Aardsma etc). I see what he is saying, BUT I disagree with him, respectfully being the difference. And to the other guy, are you kidding? I saw what seemed like 10 high horses knocking down a regular horse, a horse named striker. Well, maybe 1 or 2 high horses with a couple echos from the followers. How can you miss the common theme from the whole first page of this mistitled thread? So Danks with a hit today; what else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 09:02 PM) Na, I think the guy was talking about guys failing to reach their potential under Coop (Masset, Aardsma etc). I see what he is saying, BUT I disagree with him, respectfully being the difference. And to the other guy, are you kidding? I saw what seemed like 10 high horses knocking down a regular horse, a horse named striker. Well, maybe 1 or 2 high horses with a couple echos from the followers. How can you miss the common theme from the whole first page of this mistitled thread? So Danks with a hit today; what else? lol there were a few actual highlights within this thread's fracas. Kroeger with a HR, flowers 2b and viciedo singled him in. hudson, 2ip, 4k, 0er. daniel cabrera, 15 units of suck (the scale only goes up to 12, who knew???) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 04:59 PM) Wow that first page of this thread is creepy. Striker, I'd swear some of these weirdos would kill you if they saw you; or 1 guy would hit you and the others would play follow whichever leader is more popular. I get your point; Coop gets credit for fixing guys, but avoids the doghouse when guys fail. I just think some guys can't put it all together and never will; not Coop's fault. Sure seems like enough guys put it together HERE that Coop deserves SOME credit. So I disagree with you, simple as that; without the creepy tirades. THERE IS NO MEASURING STICK FOR INTERNET RIGHTNESS, but man, so many of you want to build one. On a side note, I just bought an old table saw today for 100 bucks and it rocks, it rocks. It won't be used to build that pointless measuring stick tho, I can tell ya that. LOL. Apparently you missed the entire thread then since I in particular was giving very detailed examples of fixes he has applied to pitchers as well as stats refuting his "regression" comment about Jenks. Dynamite drop in there though buddy. Edited March 3, 2010 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 06:11 PM) lol there were a few actual highlights within this thread's fracas. Kroeger with a HR, flowers 2b and viciedo singled him in. hudson, 2ip, 4k, 0er. daniel cabrera, 15 units of suck (the scale only goes up to 12, who knew???) opposite field too, what a stud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 06:12 PM) LOL. Apparently you missed the entire thread then since I in particular was giving very detailed examples of fixes he has applied to pitchers as well as stats refuting his "regression" comment about Jenks. Dynamite drop in there though buddy. Don't go the BUDDY route, cmon. I think the guy's overall point is still valid about Coop not being Mr. Fixit. To your point, I think it's up to the player, not so much Coop. I think Jenks looked shaky last year too, didn't anybody else see that? Definitely a regressing year, which by the way has nothing to do with Cooper (IMO). Thanks for copying and pasting his ERA and WHIP from another site tho; heroic at the very least, perhaps some land could be forever named. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 06:02 PM) Could you loan me that? It might help me measure dimensions to build a high horse that’s as large as yours. this response was pretty brilliant. that is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 08:37 PM) In some ways, I'd rather Cabrera really struggle in ST. He's a terrible fit as a bullpen guy with his wildness, etc. Ozzie seems to really like him and that scares me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Hi Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (SI1020 @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 11:34 PM) Ozzie seems to really like him and that scares me. i think ozzie is quoted as saying he's "disappointed" with cabrera's outting. i don't think there's any reason to believe he likes cabrera over santos, whom he's quoted as loving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Very disappointing outing from Cabrera. Still 4 weeks to go but not encouraging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Mar 3, 2010 -> 12:51 AM) Very disappointing outing from Cabrera. Still 4 weeks to go but not encouraging. The only good thing I can pull out of this is..... It's the first day. He has a month to get his s*** together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Can Cabrera hit? I'm serious. Is he capable of pulling an Ankiel and switching? Or turning to basketball? I'm rooting for him, but he does seem like a pile of suck. I still say somebody like Nolan Ryan could make a fortune tutoring ultra tall pitchers, many of whom can't seem to find the strike zone. Of course Ryan doesn't need the cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 The only good thing I can pull out of this is..... It's the first day. He has a month to get his s*** together. The ratio of failure is always much higher than success with reclamation projects. I was rooting more for his getting his stuff together to use him as cheap trade bate than anything else. Still a month to go but at least it was a low risk contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 01:10 PM) I'll be the first to say it.. I hope Hudson quietly out pitches Freddy to make this team. I think he's the better option going forward, plus I love prospects/young players. I've said this all winter though, so it's no secret. You should want the guy that's the best option for them right now. Hudson could very well be the future, but for now, 2010 is what matters when they decide on starter number 5. QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 01:29 PM) Meh... Cabrera was a long shot to make it anyway. Hopefully he has a good year in AAA for the Knights sake and his sake. Too early to dismiss him. QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 01:30 PM) Hudson rockin'. I am loving the pitching staff possibilities for this team in the next two seasons. Still early for him, too, though he looks promising. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 01:46 PM) It'd be nice to actually draft, develop and keep some talent every now and then. I don't care if a player is home grown or not, if the Sox can get real players in a deal, that's all that matters. Not to exhaust this Gonzalez thing any more, but for a player like him, I'd happily say goodbye to Dan Hudson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Its way too early to take anything out of a B game, good or bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (SI1020 @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 08:34 PM) Ozzie seems to really like him and that scares me. Ozzie hates his relief pitchers walking guys, though. Cabrera pulls this another time or two, and he'll be shifted over to minor league camp in a hurry. QUOTE (Ranger @ Mar 3, 2010 -> 03:09 AM) Still early for him, too, though he looks promising. I happened to point out this performance, but my being psyched is for Hudson's future, based on 2009 primarily. Just sayin' that with the starting 5 we have now, plus Hudson, plus a few other arms bound for Charlotte that still may show something... that the rotation possibilities for 2010 and 2011 look pretty damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 05:02 PM) Could you loan me that? It might help me measure dimensions to build a high horse that’s as large as yours. Could you fit some Trojans in it as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (SI1020 @ Mar 2, 2010 -> 08:34 PM) Ozzie seems to really like him and that scares me. Everybody loves that arm. They dream of harnessing it and making him into a stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Gavin Floyd was getting too far out on his front foot. Don Cooper corrected this and if it were not the case Gavin Floyd would be out of baseball. Per Don Cooper from Coop at the Cork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 3, 2010 -> 09:16 AM) Could you fit some Trojans in it as well? That's what she said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 3, 2010 -> 01:06 AM) Can Cabrera hit? I'm serious. Is he capable of pulling an Ankiel and switching? Or turning to basketball? I'm rooting for him, but he does seem like a pile of suck. I still say somebody like Nolan Ryan could make a fortune tutoring ultra tall pitchers, many of whom can't seem to find the strike zone. Of course Ryan doesn't need the cash. He's actually one of the worst hitting pitchers in the history of the game. He started his career 0-20 at the plate with 18 K and 0 BB before drawing a couple walks with the Nationals last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Mar 3, 2010 -> 09:49 AM) That's what she said http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-wf2pP7T0Y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 QUOTE (Ranger @ Mar 3, 2010 -> 03:09 AM) You should want the guy that's the best option for them right now. Hudson could very well be the future, but for now, 2010 is what matters when they decide on starter number 5. Too early to dismiss him. Hell for all you or I know, Hudson could be the best guy right now as well. You can't dismiss that. Freddy pitched decent his 9 starts (4.34 era) but who knows how that will translate this season. I am a spect lover, so I do have a bit of a weak side for prospects, and I'm pretty high on Daniel. And c'mon, unless Cabrera had a 1 era (or basically pitched very, very well) and guys like Dolsi, Santos, Hudson, etc.. etc.. had like 8 era, there was no way Cabrera was making this team anyway. This isn't a Nick Masset situation here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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