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[Milkman delivers]

He also writes dialogue that belongs in a soap opera and his villains in both Titanic and Avatar were lol bad.

 

Was Billy Zane the bad guy in Titanic?

[StrangeSox]

James Cameron goes all b****y diva on Piranha 3D

 

Avatar, on the other hand, was one of the most creative and best-told stories of our time and not a shiny knock-off of a story done over and over.

[caulfield12]

You have to remember that Cameron was the director on Piranha 2, it was his first project and he was eventually pulled from it by the Italian producer for going over budget because he wanted it to be as good as possible despite the limited budget. Interestingly, John Sayles and Joe Dante have also been involved with that franchise.

 

Personally, I think Cameron's a prick, but he has a point. The 3-D added almost nothing to that movie...and the only reason critics like it so much is that it's become HIP/COOL to say you like something so egregiously bad and campy that to eviscerate it with a scathing review would seem almost cruel. With the internet, fewer and fewer people are listening to the star critics...look at how many loved Scott Pilgrim, and that movie mightily struggled to find an audience (also bad marketing, a very limited niche demographic, Cera's done the same character repeatedly, etc.) I really thought it was pretty atrocious, and not in a funny way like say PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE.

 

I expected it to be funny, but I found myself rarely laughing...and the naked boobs, anyone can find on the internet if they look hard enough.

 

The whole 3D thing has started to run its course...I can't think of any movies since AVATAR that 3-D really enhanced the experience to make it worth the surcharge.

 

Maybe STEP UP 3...and some of the animation movies like DESPICABLE ME or TOY STORY 3. I could list about 10 movies that have come out in 3D that weren't worth the glasses, where the movie was retrofitted or 3D added later to take advantage of potential profits.

 

Now, maybe maybe RESIDENT EVIL has a chance to be worth it, as it was actually filmed in a way that 3D glasses would enhance the viewing experience, from watching the preview with 3D glasses on and from everything I've read.

 

 

 

 

[whitesoxfan99]

Was Billy Zane the bad guy in Titanic?

 

Yes

[whitesoxfan99]

The whole 3D thing has started to run its course...I can't think of any movies since AVATAR that 3-D really enhanced the experience to make it worth the surcharge.

 

Maybe STEP UP 3...and some of the animation movies like DESPICABLE ME or TOY STORY 3. I could list about 10 movies that have come out in 3D that weren't worth the glasses, where the movie was retrofitted or 3D added later to take advantage of potential profits.

 

Now, maybe maybe RESIDENT EVIL has a chance to be worth it, as it was actually filmed in a way that 3D glasses would enhance the viewing experience, from watching the preview with 3D glasses on and from everything I've read.

 

Tron it the only movie coming out the rest of the year I would pay the surcharge for because it was actually filmed in 3D and the visuals look amazing.

[caulfield12]

Tron it the only movie coming out the rest of the year I would pay the surcharge for because it was actually filmed in 3D and the visuals look amazing.

 

 

Here in Thailand, it's actually DOUBLE charge for 3D, it goes from 100-120 baht to 200-240 ($3.25-$3.75 to $6.50-$8.00).

 

In China, it's about 90 RMB for Clash of the Titans, Alice in Wonderland, How To Train Your Dragon....with 6.8 RMB to the USD, that's $13.25 in a country where the average yearly salary is $3,500 USD

 

I will take one thing back....HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON WAS EXCELLENT

 

1) Avatar

2) How To Train Your Dragon

3) MAYBE Step Up 3, if the theatre has a really good sound system

Edited September 1, 2010 by caulfield12

[NorthSideSox72]

You need to watch it again. You could not be less accurate. Do you not recall the image on the left from that film?

 

 

There was so much cheese, so many lame jokes, SUCH bad acting throughout T3. It was a complete joke, while T2 was completely dark and had some truly touching moments as well.

 

I completely disagree with you on this one.

Feel free to see it that way, I just think T2 was a lot more schmaltzy and shiny, and a lot less dark and dramatic, than T3.

 

[Steve9347]

Feel free to see it that way, I just think T2 was a lot more schmaltzy and shiny, and a lot less dark and dramatic, than T3.

I feel T3 had very little drama, and horrible acting.

 

I also feel that T2 had incredible acting, drama, and action, and the fact that it looked better and more realistic than a film made 14 years later is even more remarkable.

 

I also loved how they tied John Connor's love of GnR together in T2 and Salvation.

[Kyyle23]

Salvation was good, but it was a bit cheesy in parts. The ending surgery was pretty lame IMO. I liked the Arnold terminator doing all of the damage in the fight scene, but at the same time did he look like total cgi, you would think that the CGI would of integrated it into the movie better considering how well the other robots looked throughout the movie

[BigSqwert]

Feel free to see it that way, I just think T2 was a lot more schmaltzy and shiny, and a lot less dark and dramatic, than T3.

 

 

I feel T3 had very little drama, and horrible acting.

 

I also feel that T2 had incredible acting, drama, and action, and the fact that it looked better and more realistic than a film made 14 years later is even more remarkable.

 

I also loved how they tied John Connor's love of GnR together in T2 and Salvation.

 

 

The only thing I disliked about T2 was that Arnold's character was too cheesy with the one liners. I also wanted him to be more bad ass by killing anyone who wanted to harm John Conner instead of shooting their knees or using tear gas. I liked that the T1000 scenes were very dark.

Edited September 1, 2010 by BigSqwert

[NorthSideSox72]

I feel T3 had very little drama, and horrible acting.

 

I also feel that T2 had incredible acting, drama, and action, and the fact that it looked better and more realistic than a film made 14 years later is even more remarkable.

 

I also loved how they tied John Connor's love of GnR together in T2 and Salvation.

LOL, this discussion will go nowhere. Incredible acting is not a trait of any of these movies, nor is realism. And if by realism you mean sticking with the original analog story line, T2 was the one movie that went way off the tracks.

 

[Kyyle23]

Discussion of Camerons potshots at Piranha 3d

 

http://screenrant.com/james-cameron-piranha-3d-rob-76291/

 

And DAAAAYUM did the Piranha 3d producer b****slap Cameron

 

“Jim, are you kidding or what? First of all, let’s start by you accepting the fact that you were the original director of PIRANHA 2 and you were fired. Shame on you for thinking that genre movies and the real maestros like Roger Corman and his collaborators are any less auteur or impactful in the history of cinema than you. Martin Scorcese made Boxcar Bertha at the beginning of his career. And Francis Ford Coppola made Dimentia 13 back in 1963. And those are just a few examples of the talented and successful filmmakers whose roots are in genre films. Who are you to impugn any genre film or its creators?

 

Having been deeply involved, as either an executive or as a producer, on Tim Burton’s original BATMAN and the first MEN IN BLACK, as well as 300, and now IMMORTALS, one of the things that has been consistent about all of the filmmakers involved in these landscape-changing global films is that, in each and every case, all of the directors were humbled by their predecessors, their colleagues and by their awareness of the great history of film that came before them. The enjoyment and the immersion of an audience in a movie theatre, as they had and will have with the above-mentioned films, and as audiences are experiencing with PIRNAHA 3D now, comes from the originality and the vision of the filmmaker, and not just from the creation of the technology. You as much as anyone certainly knows that there are many pieces to the puzzle. Going to the movies still remains, arguably, amongst the best communal experiences that human beings can share.

 

My sense is that Mr. Cameron has never seen PIRANHA 3D…certainly not in a movie theatre with a real audience. Jim, we invite you to take that opportunity and experience the movie in a theatre full of fans – fans for whom this movie was always intended to entertain. Does Mr. Cameron have no idea of the painstaking efforts made by the talented young filmmaker Alex Aja and his team of collaborators? Clearly, and this one is a good bet, he has no clue as to how great and how much of a fun-filled experience the audiences who have seen the film in 3D have enjoyed. Those of us who have tried to stay in touch with the common movie audiences – the ones who really matter, the ones who actually still go to the theatre, put on the glasses, and eat the popcorn – take joy and pride in the fact that movies of all kinds, including PIRANHA 3D, have a place in filmmaking history – past, present and future. 3D unto itself is not a genre Jim, it is a tool that gives audiences an enhanced experience as they experience all kinds of movies. I believe Mr. Cameron did not see PIRANHA 3D either with any real audience or not at all. On opening weekend, I was in a Los Angeles theatre with a number of today’s great film makers including JJ Abrams, who actually had nothing short of the fabulous, fun 3D experience that the movie provides. I am fortunate enough to have worked on, and continue to work on, evolutionary movies in all formats from just simple good story telling, which still matters most of all, to CG movies to tent-pole size 3D movies, and genre 3D movies like PIRANHA 3D. What it comes down to, Jim, is – that like most things in life – size doesn’t really matter. Not everyone has the advantage of having endless amounts of money to play in their sandbox and to take ten years using other people’s money to make and market a film….like you do. Why can’t you just count your blessings? Why do you have to drop Marty Scorsese’s or Tim Burton’s names, both gentlemen who I have personally worked with, and who have enjoyed great joy and success with movies of all genres and sizes well before the advent of modern 3D? Then as now, they were like kids in a candy store recognizing, far beyond your imagination, the possibilities of storytelling and originality.

 

For the record, before you just totally dismiss PIRANHA 3D and all, in your opinion, worthless genre movies that actually undoubtedly gave you the ability to start your career, you should know that PIRANHA 3D had an 82% “fresh” (positive) ratting on Rotten Tomatoes on opening day – a web site that all the studios, filmmakers and the public use as a barometer of what makes a quality film.

 

We know that PIRANHA 3D has not achieved a boxoffice that is on the level of many of Mr. Cameron’s successes. To date, PIRANHA 3D has earned over $30 million around the globe with #1 openings in several countries. And, as the “fresh” rating on Rotten Tomatoes indicates, critics and many, many others have embraced and celebrated PIRANHA 3D for the fun and entertaining – and even smart – movie-going experience that it is.

 

Let’s just keep this in mind Jim….you did not invent 3D. You were fortunate that others inspired you to take it further. The simple truth is that I had nothing but good things to say about AVATAR and my own experience since I actually saw it and didn’t damn someone else’s talent publicly in order to disassociate myself from my origins in the business from which we are all very fortunate. To be honest, I found the 3D in AVATAR to be inconsistent and while ground breaking in many respects, sometimes I thought it overwhelmed the storytelling. Technology aside, I wish AVATAR had been more original in its storytelling.

 

We have to inspire, teach and mentor this next generation of filmmakers. It is garbage to suggest that any film or any filmmaker who cannot afford to work to your standards should be dissuaded from following his or her craft by not making 3D movies or not making movies like DISTRICT 9, for example, which probably cost the amount of AVATAR’s craft services budget, but totally rocked it in the movie theatre and in the marketplace. In that case, it was not a 3D movie. But had it been, it certainly would not have been any less original or impactful. The enormous worldwide success of AVATAR has been good in all respects for you, your financiers, your distributors and the industry, as well as for the movie going public. Jim, there is a difference between Maestro which is a word that garners respect, and Dictator or Critic which are words better left for others who are not in our mutual boat or on our team. You are one of the best, it is reasonable to think that you should dig deeper and behave like it. Young directors should be inspired by you, not publicly castigated by your mean-spirited and flawed analysis.

 

While we are all awed by your talents and your box office successes – and I compliment you on all of them – why don’t you rethink how you address films with which you are not involved? You should be taking the high road that is being travelled by so many of your peers, and pulling with them to ensure that we, as an industry, will have a continuum of talented filmmakers that will deliver a myriad of motion pictures both big and small, with 3D or any other technologies yet to come that will entertain audiences throughout the world. That is the challenge that we face. That is the future that we should deliver.

 

Please go see PIRANHA 3D in a theatre near you.”

[Steve9347]

The only thing I disliked about T2 was that Arnold's character was too cheesy with the one liners. I also wanted him to be more bad ass by killing anyone who wanted to harm John Conner instead of shooting their knees or using tear gas. I liked that the T1000 scenes were very dark.

That was under instruction of Connor himself, though. Arnold was about to pop a dude in the brain and young John (as his commander) told him no killing.

[BigSqwert]

That was under instruction of Connor himself, though. Arnold was about to pop a dude in the brain and young John (as his commander) told him no killing.

Yeah I realize all of that but I just wished Cameron didn't decide to pussify that aspect of the movie.

[Milkman delivers]

The only thing I disliked about T2 was that Arnold's character was too cheesy with the one liners. I also wanted him to be more bad ass by killing anyone who wanted to harm John Conner instead of shooting their knees or using tear gas. I liked that the T1000 scenes were very dark.

 

Unless you count the helicopter part, which was funny.

[shipps]

 

At that producers response to Cameron.

[knightni]

I watched The Haunted World of El Superbeasto on Encore last night.

 

Pretty great. It combines Ren and Stimpy style animation with crazy humor, horror-camp, sexiness, and animated boobs.

 

If anyone wants to watch it, there's an adult-oriented site hosting it online. PM me if you want to see it.

 

 

[knightni]

I watched The Haunted World of El Superbeasto on Encore last night.

 

Pretty great. It combines Ren and Stimpy style animation with crazy humor, horror-camp, sexiness, and animated boobs.

 

If anyone wants to watch it, there's an adult-oriented site hosting it online. PM me if you want to see it.

 

 

/surprised that shipps never pmed him...

 

Here is a highlight video from youtube.

 

[Rowand44]

The last exorcism=pure awfulness.

[shipps]

/surprised that shipps never pmed him...

 

Here is a highlight video from youtube.

 

 

LOL

 

Its funny cause I swear I almost did.

[T R U]

man machete was awesome

[Rowand44]

man machete was awesome

I can NOT wait to see that. Been waiting forever it seems.

[T R U]

I can NOT wait to see that. Been waiting forever it seems.

 

yes it was funny and violent.. very enjoyable

[caulfield12]

Machete is definitely better than Expendables...although not recommended as a date movie or for the faint of heart. I'm not sure I'd greenlight a sequel though, Danny Trejo's acting is about as one dimensional as Zac Efron's or Freddie Prinze, Jr., and that's not saying much.

 

Maybe it's the "hot chic" factor, lol. Michelle Rodriguez has really gotten into good shape, and Jessica Alba's always cute, although I found her character to be hopelessly naive and impossible to believe.

 

Between Seagal in Machete and the cast of Expendables, I think all the bases have been covered this month except for Jean Claude Van Damme and Chuck Norris.

Edited September 3, 2010 by caulfield12

[Steve9347]

Going to go support my boys Charlie Day and Jason Sudeikis this weekend (I think Sunday night) in "Going the Distance". I personally think it looks funny, so f*** you all who are going to rip my s***!

Edited September 3, 2010 by Steve9347