Dick Allen Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Mar 13, 2010 -> 06:50 AM) WSF, OT but when I read that I couldn´t help but remember Michael Jordan. That statement epitimizes what Jordan stood for and how JR paid him what he was due because he was truly the best in the world. Michael Jordan's salaries: 1984-85 Chicago Bulls NBA $550,000 1985-86 Chicago Bulls NBA $630,000 1986-87 Chicago Bulls NBA *$737,500 1987-88 Chicago Bulls NBA $845,000 1988-89 Chicago Bulls NBA $2,000,000 1989-90 Chicago Bulls NBA *$2,250,000 1990-91 Chicago Bulls NBA $2,500,000 1991-92 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,250,000 1992-93 Chicago Bulls NBA $4,000,000 1993-94 Chicago Bulls NBA $4,000,000 1994-95 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,850,000 1995-96 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,850,000 1996-97 Chicago Bulls NBA $30,140,000 1997-98 Chicago Bulls NBA $33,140,000 2001-02 Washington Wizards NBA $1,000,000 2002-03 Washington Wizards NBA $1,030,000 Seems JR "paid him what he was due" for exactly 2 seasons. As for Mauer, I expect he will remain a Twin. I'm sure if they trade him the other team will want to negotiate a contract first. If he ever did become a FA, he's exactly the kind of guy JR would open the checkbook to obtain. Edited March 13, 2010 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 13, 2010 -> 07:43 AM) Michael Jordan's salaries: 1984-85 Chicago Bulls NBA $550,000 1985-86 Chicago Bulls NBA $630,000 1986-87 Chicago Bulls NBA *$737,500 1987-88 Chicago Bulls NBA $845,000 1988-89 Chicago Bulls NBA $2,000,000 1989-90 Chicago Bulls NBA *$2,250,000 1990-91 Chicago Bulls NBA $2,500,000 1991-92 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,250,000 1992-93 Chicago Bulls NBA $4,000,000 1993-94 Chicago Bulls NBA $4,000,000 1994-95 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,850,000 1995-96 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,850,000 1996-97 Chicago Bulls NBA $30,140,000 1997-98 Chicago Bulls NBA $33,140,000 2001-02 Washington Wizards NBA $1,000,000 2002-03 Washington Wizards NBA $1,030,000 Seems JR "paid him what he was due" for exactly 2 seasons. As for Mauer, I expect he will remain a Twin. I'm sure if they trade him the other team will want to negotiate a contract first. If he ever did become a FA, he's exactly the kind of guy JR would open the checkbook to obtain. JR did him a big favor. Jordan wanted a long term deal, that he was actually advised against signing... by Jerry. He also told him that once he signed it, he wouldn't renegotiate it, and he didn't, which is why he was underpaid for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 13, 2010 -> 09:20 AM) JR did him a big favor. Jordan wanted a long term deal, that he was actually advised against signing... by Jerry. He also told him that once he signed it, he wouldn't renegotiate it, and he didn't, which is why he was underpaid for so long. That's Pippen who had that conversation with JR, not Jordan. Jordan signed a contract, never b****ed about it once. It may be the biggest bargain in sports history. I guess today marks the 25th anniversary of JR buying the Bulls for $16 million. Just a few million less than they paid Tim Thomas to go away twice. Since Jordan last wore a Bulls uniform, they are over 200 games below .500, yet have drawn more people than any other NBA team during that time. He's still making them money. Edited March 13, 2010 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 13, 2010 -> 08:43 AM) Michael Jordan's salaries: 1984-85 Chicago Bulls NBA $550,000 1985-86 Chicago Bulls NBA $630,000 1986-87 Chicago Bulls NBA *$737,500 1987-88 Chicago Bulls NBA $845,000 1988-89 Chicago Bulls NBA $2,000,000 1989-90 Chicago Bulls NBA *$2,250,000 1990-91 Chicago Bulls NBA $2,500,000 1991-92 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,250,000 1992-93 Chicago Bulls NBA $4,000,000 1993-94 Chicago Bulls NBA $4,000,000 1994-95 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,850,000 1995-96 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,850,000 1996-97 Chicago Bulls NBA $30,140,000 1997-98 Chicago Bulls NBA $33,140,000 2001-02 Washington Wizards NBA $1,000,000 2002-03 Washington Wizards NBA $1,030,000 Seems JR "paid him what he was due" for exactly 2 seasons. As for Mauer, I expect he will remain a Twin. I'm sure if they trade him the other team will want to negotiate a contract first. If he ever did become a FA, he's exactly the kind of guy JR would open the checkbook to obtain. Those salaries are low but it was similar to what other stars in the NBA were making at that time. Patrick Ewing: 1985-86 New York Knickerbockers NBA $1,250,000 1986-87 New York Knickerbockers NBA *$2,000,000 1987-88 New York Knickerbockers NBA $2,750,000 1988-89 New York Knickerbockers NBA $3,250,000 1989-90 New York Knickerbockers NBA *$3,750,000 1990-91 New York Knickerbockers NBA $4,250,000 1991-92 New York Knickerbockers NBA $3,139,000 1992-93 New York Knickerbockers NBA $3,300,000 1993-94 New York Knickerbockers NBA $3,825,000 1994-95 New York Knickerbockers NBA $4,486,700 1995-96 New York Knickerbockers NBA $18,724,000 1996-97 New York Knickerbockers NBA $3,000,000 1997-98 New York Knickerbockers NBA $20,500,000 1998-99 New York Knickerbockers NBA $18,500,000 1999-00 New York Knickerbockers NBA $15,000,000 2000-01 Seattle Supersonics NBA $14,000,000 2001-02 Orlando Magic NBA $2,118,420 Edited March 13, 2010 by G&T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 13, 2010 -> 10:11 AM) That's Pippen who had that conversation with JR, not Jordan. Jordan signed a contract, never b****ed about it once. It may be the biggest bargain in sports history. I guess today marks the 25th anniversary of JR buying the Bulls for $16 million. Just a few million less than they paid Tim Thomas to go away twice. Since Jordan last wore a Bulls uniform, they are over 200 games below .500, yet have drawn more people than any other NBA team during that time. He's still making them money. I do think Jordan was advised against signing the 8/$25 million contract he signed, whether it was by his agent, or JR, I do not remember for certain. But you're right, he didn't complain publicly ever about it. As for JR "taking care" of Michael, it was Jordan's decision that he had enough money and to leave the game the two times that he did. Jordan could have continued playing after the 98' title run and made another $30 million, but he chose to walk away. And for a guy who played in the era he did, making $100 million-ish in career earnings is pretty impressive. Of course, he was also making, and continues even now to make $30-40 million a year in endorsements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Mar 13, 2010 -> 10:51 AM) I do think Jordan was advised against signing the 8/$25 million contract he signed, whether it was by his agent, or JR, I do not remember for certain. But you're right, he didn't complain publicly ever about it. As for JR "taking care" of Michael, it was Jordan's decision that he had enough money and to leave the game the two times that he did. Jordan could have continued playing after the 98' title run and made another $30 million, but he chose to walk away. And for a guy who played in the era he did, making $100 million-ish in career earnings is pretty impressive. Of course, he was also making, and continues even now to make $30-40 million a year in endorsements. He has a boatload of money. Juanita got a lot, and he's the sole investor in the Bobcats. My post was in response to the post that said JR paid him like the best player in the world. He did, but for 2 seasons. He was the greatest bargain in sports history the other seasons he played, and I'm sure he ultimately was a huge bargain when he was being paid $30 million +. The fact is, he couldn't be paid what he was actually worth, and JR and his partners were perhaps the biggest beneficiaries of that fact. Edited March 13, 2010 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 QUOTE (Benchwarmerjim @ Mar 11, 2010 -> 11:29 PM) first of all, the writer Jim Souhan is not the beat writer for the Twins. He was a 5 or so years ago, but now is a general columnist/opinion maker/whatever you label those guys nowadays second. Jim Souhan is mostly full of crap and just likes to stir the pot and get his name out there So, you're saying he's Mariotti? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Isn't the Twins owner very wealthy (in MLB owner terms) and just doesn't spend as much on payroll...or am I thinking of someone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 13, 2010 -> 01:50 PM) Isn't the Twins owner very wealthy (in MLB owner terms) and just doesn't spend as much on payroll...or am I thinking of someone else? Carl Pohlad was. He has since passed away. I am not certain if the team is still in his family or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Mar 13, 2010 -> 01:57 PM) Carl Pohlad was. He has since passed away. I am not certain if the team is still in his family or not. Just checked, his son, Jim, is the current owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 13, 2010 -> 01:50 PM) Isn't the Twins owner very wealthy (in MLB owner terms) and just doesn't spend as much on payroll...or am I thinking of someone else? This is very true. The Twins aren't in a small market, but their penny pinching owners essentially made them one. Now that the dad is dead (sounds like a harsh thing to say, but it's true) and they have a new ballpark and get the full revenue out of it, they'll start spending more on their team. There's no reason for them not to spend ~90-100 million on their team on a relatively consistent basis. Edited March 14, 2010 by Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 This is very true. The Twins aren't in a small market, but their penny pinching owners essentially made them one. Now that the dad is dead (sounds like a harsh thing to say, but it's true) and they have a new ballpark and get the full revenue out of it, they'll start spending more on their team. There's no reason for them not to spend ~90-100 million on their team on a relatively consistent basis. I guess they really have no choice but to spend about 23-25% of their payroll on Mauer if it indeed comes to that as the sticking point. That is going to be a hell of a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 A friend of mine (Twins fan) put it this way: suppose the Twins are spending $100 million on their payroll and dedicate $25 million to Mauer. That leaves $75 million for the other 24 players on their team, which they had no problem doing when they were pretending to be a small market. So why would it be a problem now? There's no excuse for them not to sign Mauer. They have the money and he wants to stay. They just need to get it done now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 Nick Cafardo (Reputable writer from Boston) has a column up about what could be if the Twinkies can´t sign Mauer bu Opening Day. Very premature an probably won´t happen but hey not much else going on right now. Link: http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/arti..._eye/?page=full Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 There is zero chance Mauer gets traded. This is all posturing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 There is zero chance Mauer gets traded. This is all posturing. I guess there is a better chance we trade for Agon somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Mar 14, 2010 -> 04:02 PM) I guess there is a better chance we trade for Agon somehow. The two aren't even comparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 13, 2010 -> 04:22 AM) No, it would mean that the absolute best player in the game was not able to resign with his current team and, thus, had to be traded to receive "fair" compensation. It's the same thing as Johan Santana, though the Twins were very, very smart to deal him. ill take pujols any day over mauer and its not even close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Mar 14, 2010 -> 04:38 PM) ill take pujols any day over mauer and its not even close That's fine. I guess I just prefer catchers who hit .360 and put up OPS's north of 1.000 while also being solid defensively to 1Bman who put up 1.100 OPS's who, even if good defensively, are still just 1Bman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 14, 2010 -> 06:45 PM) That's fine. I guess I just prefer catchers who hit .360 and put up OPS's north of 1.000 while also being solid defensively to 1Bman who put up 1.100 OPS's who, even if good defensively, are still just 1Bman. i dont know, i kinda rather have 45 hrs and 130 rbi, vs 30,100, . u can say he is the best catcher but hes not the best player. mauer is a future 1b anyways Edited March 15, 2010 by Melissa1334 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Mar 14, 2010 -> 07:51 PM) i dont know, i kinda rather have 45 hrs and 130 rbi, vs 30,100, . u can say he is the best catcher but hes not the best player. mauer is a future 1b anyways I'm not going to argue it. It's a rather pointless argument. Beyond that, I think Mauer is just as likely to end up at 3B as he is 1B, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that he stays behind the plate for most of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 14, 2010 -> 08:02 PM) I'm not going to argue it. It's a rather pointless argument. Beyond that, I think Mauer is just as likely to end up at 3B as he is 1B, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that he stays behind the plate for most of his career. It'd be better for him to change positions IMO, but I can see him being a catcher for a long time, then becoming a DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted March 15, 2010 Author Share Posted March 15, 2010 I think the debate is interesting and I myself have said we all expect him to sign the extension but the longer it takes the more debate it stirs. If he does not sign by the end of ST then it gets really interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted March 16, 2010 Author Share Posted March 16, 2010 Not that this has anything to do with what is happening between Mauer, his agent, and the Twins FO but I was just over the MLB Twins forum and boy o boy are they nervous as hell about the foot draggin because it is half through spring training and he has not signed. Me likey, me likey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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