SoxFan1 Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Im going with Escobar. If he fails as a starter, we have a defenite closer. He has some nasty stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I voted "other" because I am going to go out onto a limb and say NO ONE! I say we keep our minor leaguers and promote from within. It is time to see what these kids are worth. We have raided the farm system plenty in the last few years and don't need to do it anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 gotta go with Escobar. he's got the best arm. he can start or pitch outta the bullpen. He's been pitching well. And Toronto should be desperate to dump salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I'd go with Escobar too. When, (notice I didn't say if...) we get to the playoffs he will be incredibly effective as a set-up guy or closer. Maybe Toronto wants Billy back? PLEASE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I like Escobar, but I'd rather have Jarvis. I'd be happy to grab either one of them. Anybody else worries me for various reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Kevin Jarvis and Danny Graves or Mike Stanton. Gives the Sox two veterans that can contribute immediately. Both make money, but it wouldn't cost much more then two or three fring to average prospects to get the two of them. Graves (29 years old) career numbers: 39-32, 130 SV, 3.83 ERA, 650.1 INN, 25 GS, 347 K, .266 BAA Mike Stanton (36 YR Old) Career Numbers: 55-41, 204 HLD, 42 SV, 3.81 ERA This Season: 2-4, 7 HLD, 1 S, 1 BS, 4.94 ERA, 27.1 INN He has been injured for parts of this season. Stanton makes 2 mill a year for the next two years I think. Kevin Jarvis (33 Years Old) career numbers: 33-40, 1 SV, 5.69 ERA, 109 Starts This season: 4-2, 3.91 ERA, 50.2 Inn (8 starts) Hasn't made many starst the past two season with injuries. Is healthy now and pitching very good. I think he's gonna be one of those guys that has a few really good years after never really been noticed much during most of his career (Ala Woody Williams). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I wouldnt want Kevin jarvis.. Too old... if we are making a trade I would rather get someone that would stick around for a while like Escobar or Graves Even though I am not too high on graves I like what we got in our minors to work with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I know this is way off topic, but I noticed something in Jason's post that made me have to speak up. The HOLD stat for pitchers has to be the most worthless stat ever invented. I have never seen helpful use of this stat in evaluating anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I know this is way off topic, but I noticed something in Jason's post that made me have to speak up. The HOLD stat for pitchers has to be the most worthless stat ever invented. I have never seen helpful use of this stat in evaluating anyone. Its about the first time i've ever even used it. Just tell me the ERA, innings pitched, k's, walks and I can tell ya if the guy is any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I know this is way off topic, but I noticed something in Jason's post that made me have to speak up. The HOLD stat for pitchers has to be the most worthless stat ever invented. I have never seen helpful use of this stat in evaluating anyone. Its about the first time i've ever even used it. Just tell me the ERA, innings pitched, k's, walks and I can tell ya if the guy is any good. I'll add hits allowed to those, Jason... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 The Hold stat helps you see how many times the reliever has enetered the game and NOT given up the lead.. In a way I think this is a useful stat although I would rather look at ERA and record K's Innings Pitched and Walks before I looked at holds but they arent that bad.. It just gives you an idea about how they do when they are in the game with a close lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 The Hold stat helps you see how many times the reliever has enetered the game and NOT given up the lead.. In a way I think this is a useful stat although I would rather look at ERA and record K's Innings Pitched and Walks before I looked at holds but they arent that bad.. It just gives you an idea about how they do when they are in the game with a close lead True, but if you don't hold the lead, what do you get? A blown save if the game is in the 7th inning or later. A Hold is a weak attempt at trying to measure how many inherited runners score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I know this is way off topic, but I noticed something in Jason's post that made me have to speak up. The HOLD stat for pitchers has to be the most worthless stat ever invented. I have never seen helpful use of this stat in evaluating anyone. Its about the first time i've ever even used it. Just tell me the ERA, innings pitched, k's, walks and I can tell ya if the guy is any good. I'll add hits allowed to those, Jason... Agreed or more specifically BAA and WHIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I agree as well I was just saying that its not as useless as one would think, but I wouldnt hold a report on a player on how many holds he has Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I know this is way off topic, but I noticed something in Jason's post that made me have to speak up. The HOLD stat for pitchers has to be the most worthless stat ever invented. I have never seen helpful use of this stat in evaluating anyone. No, the save stat is pretty overrated, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 1)Corey Lidle 2)Jeff Suppan. I like Lidle, he has a good history with 2nd halves in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning Ugly Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Other, meaning Jake Peavy if he's not part of the Giles/Kendall deal. It looks like the Padres will give up O. Perez and Nady for those two or nothing. If that's the case, they might trade the Jakester for a Carlos Lee or Carl Everett for next season's big opening in the new ballpark. Add possibly Tejada to the mix and boy I'm excited as sh1t about my local team next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Other, meaning Jake Peavy if he's not part of the Giles/Kendall deal. It looks like the Padres will give up O. Perez and Nady for those two or nothing. If that's the case, they might trade the Jakester for a Carlos Lee or Carl Everett for next season's big opening in the new ballpark. Add possibly Tejada to the mix and boy I'm excited as sh1t about my local team next year. ahhh my favorite subject trading for sfo or sd pitching prospect. why not trade clee, move everett to the corner and start rowan, get peavy and lairino from sd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 LOL! The Padres can't give Jarvis away and you want to trade Carlos Lee for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 LOL! The Padres can't give Jarvis away and you want to trade Carlos Lee for him? Now that is thinking like Kenny Williams! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 LOL! The Padres can't give Jarvis away and you want to trade Carlos Lee for him? where in my post do you see me mention jarvis....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning Ugly Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 where in my post do you see me mention jarvis....... We were talking about Peavy, not Jarvis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 My bad, I misread Jakester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Jakester. what does jakester means? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 what does jakester means? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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