Texsox Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 http://www.ktva.com/ci_14679763 http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Mexic...M_NfPEGvew.cspx There have been at least two occurances. The most recent was yesterday, it was just on my local news. The border violence on the south side of the river is starting to make me a little nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 We've been invaded by land and water for decades now, might as well add by air to round it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 29, 2010 -> 10:12 PM) We've been invaded by land and water for decades now, might as well add by air to round it out... They seem to be targeting criminals on this side, which is interesting. It has long be assumed that at least some of the top cartel leaders lived on this side and issued orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 Yikes. Real people, normal intelligent people, are believing it is well within reason that Mexico military may drop down one day and conduct a mission on US soil to take out a cartel leader. Based on our outsourcing of problems and allowing countries with more casual laws to step in, it may be true. We are seeing an increase in high end SUVs and lux cars with armour around the area, all with Mexico plates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (Tex @ Mar 29, 2010 -> 10:08 PM) http://www.ktva.com/ci_14679763 http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Mexic...M_NfPEGvew.cspx There have been at least two occurances. The most recent was yesterday, it was just on my local news. The border violence on the south side of the river is starting to make me a little nervous. Starting to? The violence in near-border Mexico has been huge for some time now. Them having a helicopter clip a bit of US airspace would be the least of my concerns. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 29, 2010 -> 10:12 PM) We've been invaded by land and water for decades now, might as well add by air to round it out... Reminds me of some of my favorite historical trivia questions... See if you can tell me this WITHOUT looking anything up... Who, when and where was the last time a foreign military invaded the United States (the 50, not territories)? Who, when and where was the last time a foreign military invaded the CONTIGUOUS United States? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 30, 2010 -> 08:30 AM) Who, when and where was the last time a foreign military invaded the United States (the 50, not territories)? Who, when and where was the last time a foreign military invaded the CONTIGUOUS United States? Do you count areas that became states? Because the Japanese invaded 2 islands in the Aleutians, but Alaska was not a state at the time. No? Ok, then we go back to Pancho Villa and his attack across the border to try to seize a weapons depot in what, 1915 I think, which led to General Pershing following him around Mexico with an expeditionary force for about a year until he kinda got reassigned to this small conflict in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 30, 2010 -> 07:45 AM) Do you count areas that became states? Because the Japanese invaded 2 islands in the Aleutians, but Alaska was not a state at the time. No? Ok, then we go back to Pancho Villa and his attack across the border to try to seize a weapons depot in what, 1915 I think, which led to General Pershing following him around Mexico with an expeditionary force for about a year until he kinda got reassigned to this small conflict in Europe. I should have said "The current 50 United States", as yes, I meant the Aluetians and Japan in 1944. Bigger points for you getting Pancho, who crossed over and sacked the city of Columbus, New Mexico, in 1912 or so. They raised the Mexican flag, said they were taking back all of "northern Mexico", then proceeded to run like hell back towards home. Villa's forces were not backed by the government as a whole, they were a rogue unit, which is why Mexico didn't mind terribly that the US came for him. What they didn't expect was that the US army would march more than 500 miles into Mexico to do it. That mini-conflict was also interesting in that it was the last time horse cavalary was used in a foreign war by US troops... but was also the FIRST conflict where the US military used aircraft. I also think, if I recall right, that Villa's own soldiers eventually killed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 After some Googling, we're both wrong on the date, it was 1916 for Columbus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 30, 2010 -> 07:56 AM) After some Googling, we're both wrong on the date, it was 1916 for Columbus. I've used that topic in a high school history class (I was considering teaching at one point, and was a student teacher), and I used to know all the little details cold... now they are getting fuzzy, if I don't look them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (Tex @ Mar 29, 2010 -> 10:16 PM) They seem to be targeting criminals on this side, which is interesting. It has long be assumed that at least some of the top cartel leaders lived on this side and issued orders. To play devils advocate, havent we been doing this to Pakistan for a while now? (GOing into another country to take out our enemies... not the country) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Mar 30, 2010 -> 09:20 AM) To play devils advocate, havent we been doing this to Pakistan for a while now? (GOing into another country to take out our enemies... not the country) To steal from Kap, it's always different! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Mar 30, 2010 -> 08:20 AM) To play devils advocate, havent we been doing this to Pakistan for a while now? (GOing into another country to take out our enemies... not the country) I'd be willing to bet we do it to Mexico now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 I could see the US giving a nod and a wink and allowing Mexico to grab a Mexican national here. We'll complain a little bit and let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Good the know the Mexican army has helicopters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 30, 2010 -> 03:36 PM) Good the know the Mexican army has helicopters. Considering they've basically been fighting an ongoing drug insurgency for something like 10+ years and a near open Civil War the last couple, and their opponents can get arms from the U.S., they darn well better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Thank goodness drugs are still illegal. This war on drugs is going really well and should end any day now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Mar 30, 2010 -> 03:38 PM) Thank goodness drugs are still illegal. This war on drugs is going really well and should end any day now. So that's the argument you're gonna use for why drugs should be legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Mar 30, 2010 -> 02:46 PM) So that's the argument you're gonna use for why drugs should be legal? There are plenty of arguments to be made for legalization. The costly and inevitable failure of a "drug war" is merely one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Because we need people buying heroin and crystal from Walgreens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 30, 2010 -> 03:50 PM) Because we need people buying heroin and crystal from Walgreens. I'd kill for a register rewards deal on that. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Mar 30, 2010 -> 03:47 PM) There are plenty of arguments to be made for legalization. The costly and inevitable failure of a "drug war" is merely one of them. For something like marijuana, fine, but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Mar 30, 2010 -> 02:56 PM) For something like marijuana, fine, but that's about it. How is your life impacted if you next door neighbor enjoys cocaine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Mar 30, 2010 -> 02:57 PM) How is your life impacted if you next door neighbor enjoys cocaine? It absolutely is. That's where cocaine is different than mary jane. A guy smokes a joint, he's pretty harmless to public safety, and isn't likely to get addicted either. A guy does cocaine, he'll tend to do a lot of stupid and dangerous things, and be much more likely to get addicted and do it a lot more often. There are increased risks to society there, dramatically increased, not to mention increased costs for health care and lots of other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 30, 2010 -> 03:05 PM) It absolutely is. That's where cocaine is different than mary jane. A guy smokes a joint, he's pretty harmless to public safety, and isn't likely to get addicted either. A guy does cocaine, he'll tend to do a lot of stupid and dangerous things, and be much more likely to get addicted and do it a lot more often. There are increased risks to society there, dramatically increased, not to mention increased costs for health care and lots of other things. I see no difference in cocaine or alcohol in terms of impact to society or tendency to become an addiction. One was selected arbitrarily to be legal while the other is demonized. And no, I am not a user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Mar 30, 2010 -> 03:57 PM) How is your life impacted if you next door neighbor enjoys cocaine? Possibly not directly at all, but that doesn't mean I want it legally available and accessible to anyone who wants it. Wood you want your kids to be able to walk down to the local store whenever they pleased and be able to buy an 8-ball, for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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