hammerhead johnson Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 08:15 PM) ahh, the defer to management because they have jobs in management and we don't so they must always be right school of thought. Brilliant. Terry Bevington, brilliant baseball mind. He was a manager, you know! But even Terry Bevington would wax anyone on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 08:22 PM) Gordon Beckham is a .270-to-.280 hitter until further notice. People already have him in the hall of fame, for some odd reason. It is also not beyond the realm of possibility for Konerko or Andruw Jones to get a base bit. Well, then Andruw Jones is about a .220 hitter until further notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 02:24 PM) But even Terry Bevington would wax anyone on this board. Well I would consider Steve Stone a pretty good baseball mind and he thought that Pierre should of tested the bad throwing catcher instead of bunting him over on the first pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 08:28 PM) Well, then Andruw Jones is about a .220 hitter until further notice. Except we all know that he's much better than that. I don't know if Beckham can clear .275. It remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 07:22 PM) Gordon Beckham is a .270-to-.280 hitter until further notice. People already have him in the hall of fame, for some odd reason. It is also not beyond the realm of possibility for Konerko or Andruw Jones to get a base bit. Nor is it that Beckham would. In fact, it's a better bet than andruw jones, rios, teahan and alexei. A far better bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 07:31 PM) Except we all know that he's much better than that. I don't know if Beckham can clear .275. It remains to be seen. We do? Unless he's on the same "diet" he was when he was back in Atlanta, it's very possible he's just washed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 07:31 PM) Except we all know that he's much better than that. k...i'm done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 08:29 PM) Well I would consider Steve Stone a pretty good baseball mind and he thought that Pierre should of tested the bad throwing catcher instead of bunting him over on the first pitch. Steve Stone is the best baseball man that I know, and I'd have been game to test Marson if they'd have had a right-handed reliever out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 08:32 PM) k...i'm done. Whatever. From what I've seen of Andruw Jones this year, he's much better than just a .220 hitter. Not even debatable. Edited April 9, 2010 by hammerhead johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 08:34 PM) Steve Stone is the best baseball man that I know, and I'd have been game to test Marson if they'd have had a right-handed reliever out there. We did the same thing in the 7th inning also with a righty on the mound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 08:36 PM) We did the same thing in the 7th inning also with a righty on the mound. True. I'm mostly zoning in on the 9th inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 02:36 PM) Whatever. From what I've seen of Andruw Jones this year, he's much better than just a .220 hitter. Not even debatable. All 6 plate appearances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 03:40 PM) All 5 plate appearances? 6. He had a HBP in there as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 02:41 PM) 6. He had a HBP in there as well. Forgot he pinch hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 03:42 PM) Forgot he pinch hit. I got to correct kal! Yay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Was spring training last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 08:44 PM) Was spring training last year? Who cares about Spring Training? It's the perfect setting for Jones, since he can't hit good offspeed pitches. We all know how the ball doesn't curve as much in Arizona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 02:44 PM) Was spring training last year? Since when do spring stats mean a damn thing? Maybe we should hit Kotsay 3rd since he batted .382 in March. s*** Vernon Wells had an OPS just over .700 during the spring, his current OPS is around 2.500. It's pretty easy to launch in Arizona when you're seeing nothing but fastballs and awful offspeed pitches, the game changes a bit when you come north. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 02:44 PM) I got to correct kal! Yay! When kalapse wasn't corrected last night... that was the shocker. Guy couldn't say a damn thing correct if he tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 From what I saw of Andruw Jones throughout spring training, he's much better than just a .220 caliber hitter. A good 30 to 40 points better. I don't know how this is even arguable. I also don't know how Kalapse and Balta thought I was basing my opinion on the first three regular season games. I thought that y'all were much smarter than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Pierre was 6/8 on stealing bases in ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Who gives a s*** about the stats. I'm just going off how certain players looked in their at bats. Hell of a concept, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 02:48 PM) From what I saw of Andruw Jones throughout spring training, he's much better than just a .220 caliber hitter. A good 30 to 40 points better. I don't know how this is even arguable. I also don't know how Kalapse and Balta thought I was basing my opinion on the first three regular season games. I thought that y'all were much smarter than that. His last three seasons he hit .222, .158, & .214. I think considering him a .220 caliber hitter is right on the money. Spring training means little. You have to prove it in the regular season, which he hasnt done in four years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 03:48 PM) From what I saw of Andruw Jones throughout spring training, he's much better than just a .220 caliber hitter. A good 30 to 40 points better. I don't know how this is even arguable. I also don't know how Kalapse and Balta thought I was basing my opinion on the first three regular season games. I thought that y'all were much smarter than that. Hammerhead...here's the thing. I think Jones will probably be better than a .220 hitter, although if he is a .220 hitter I'd expect it's a powerful .220. But you have less evidence that Jones is better than a .220 hitter than we have for Beckham being ready to be a .300 hitter. Beckham hit .286 after he got over his initial first 30 at bat slump last year. Beckham hit .290 in ST. You can't possibly argue that Jones is a .275 hitter and then refuse to think that Beckham could be better than .270. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 9, 2010 -> 03:50 PM) Who gives a s*** about the stats. I'm just going off how certain players looked in their at bats. Hell of a concept, huh? And Beckham hasn't looked like an all-star to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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