Sox Acquire Schoeneweis in 5 Player Deal

[SkipperFan]

I posted this over on the "Official" MB. I am an Angels fan that wanted you to know what you got, beyond the obvious stats.

 

As far as Schoeny is concerned, here's how I see the deal. None of the fans on either side of the deal are really hot on the pitcher they gave up. As Sox fans, it seems that you didn't really care for Glover, and as Angels fans, we held a passionate hatred for Schoeny.

 

As a side note, last year, on the eve of the potential strike, the Anaheim crowd got disgusted with the fact that yet another work stoppage seemed inevitable, and they showed their displeasure by throwing everything they had on the field, you may recall the highlight footage. Well, Scott, who was the Angels player rep, went before the mics and subsequently chastized the fans for their actions, claiming "These fans are rude, all we want to do is play this game". The irony of the situation was that that was EXACTLY all the fans wanted, and that the players and management were looking as if they were not going to change course again. Anaheim fans NEVER forgave him for that one.

 

Also, as far as Schoeny is concerned on the mound, watch out for Schoeny coming in with runners in scoring position. Funny thing about a pitchers ERA is that it only reflects the hitters that he faces. Far too many times did we watch Scott allow all his inhereted runners score and then get out of the inning with his ERA sparkling. That is why, for most of this year, Scioscia chose to put Schoeny in the game ONLY either at the start of an inning, or when there were no runners on base (which seldom happened, if you catch my drift) If you really want to know what kind of pitcher Scott is, look at his inhereted runners stats.

 

Also, be prepared for Scott to complain about not being in the starting rotation. He thinks it's his god-given right to be a starting pitcher, but doesn't seem to understand that his stats don't bear that out.

 

Scott is not a strike out pitcher, he's a ground ball pitcher with a sinker. Scott relies on his defense behind him to help him out. But he gets burned a lot.

 

Another thing about Scott Schoeny, his agent is Scott Boras, so unless the Sox offer him a starting position guaranteed, AND a ton of money, don't expect to retain his services beyond the end of this season. But, believe me, after witnessing Scott for the past few years, there's a reason why there was a certain amount of rejoicing in the stands in Anaheim last night when word leaked out that Schoeny was gone, regardless of who the Angels got in return, if anything.

 

I'm sorry to be the bearer of such bad tidings, but I thought that you deserved to know the kind of player that the Sox just picked up. He will break your heart. He will tick you off. I just hope that you in Chicago treat him with the same kind of "respect" that he shows for the fans. Here in So Cal, the crowd is much too lax and laid back, and I don't think that Scott quite realizes how good he had it with the crowd, on the whole, simply not caring. If all of what I have heard about Chicago is correct, then I don't think the honeymoon will last long, and I think that you will let him know what kind of a pitcher he is VERY quickly.

 

I'm sorry that you are ending up with him, but from an Angels fan's perspective, I am elated to not have to worry about him coming in and putting a win in jeopardy, or making a comeback all but impossible.

[Rex Hudler]

I'll talk all of that with a grain of salt. Sometimes a change of scenery is all a guy needs.

 

Also, it doesn't matter what Scott Boras wants, Schoeneweis is arbitration eligible next year, not eligible for free agency so he will be here unless he gets traded or outright released, which I don't see happening.

 

I have another friend that is a big Angels fan and he feels that Scott got a raw deal in Anaheim and that Sox will like what they get.

 

Time will tell, I guess.

[Chisoxfn]

I'll talk all of that with a grain of salt.  Sometimes a change of scenery is all a guy needs. 

 

Also, it doesn't matter what Scott Boras wants, Schoeneweis is arbitration eligible next year, not eligible for free agency so he will be here unless he gets traded or outright released, which I don't see happening.

 

I have another friend that is a big Angels fan and he feels that Scott got a raw deal in Anaheim and that Sox will like what they get.

 

Time will tell, I guess.

Thanks for the info Skipper.

 

I'm a pretty big Angel fan (Not as big as the Sox) and I've watched Schoey since he came up. I always was a big fan of him and Wasbhurn as they developed at the big league level and I too thought he got a raw deal.

 

Last year he definately should of been sent to the pen, but this year I haven't heard him whine other then saying he thinks he can start. I don't blame him considering Appier and Sele have been horrid this year and people like Mickey Callaway have a few starts with the Angels.

 

I hope he doesn't whine, etc when he's with the Sox, but I do think he's a good pitcher.

 

I also was a big fan of Glover but he really dissapointed me. When he made it with the Sox a few years ago he had awesome stuff. Each year since then the stuff has just got more bland.

[whitesox247]

Thanx for that solid analysis Skipper. I live in SoCal too and follow the Angels, Scot is definately the weakest link in their great bullpen. And I have watched him let inherited runners score. The thing is, we practically gave up nothing for him and I think Schoeni is a better pitcher than Glover. He will become a lefty specialist/long reliever in the pen. He wont be a big difference maker, but I think it was a solid addition by KW.

[upnorthsox]

There seems to be some bitterness in that guys post, I think I'll take a wait and see approach myself.

[SkipperFan]

There seems to be some bitterness in that guys post, I think I'll take a wait and see approach myself.

Take the wait and see approach. There's really no reason to prejudge. However, where I'm from, having had to endure Schoeny for the last 2 1/2 years (his first year he showed promise, but it was all downhill from there) all I'll say is that about the only complaint that anyone had last night at the ball park was that, with lefties at such a supposed premium, all the Angels could get was Glover and the prospects? And they had to give up a AAA prospect as well for that? There was a lot of questioning about that. No one, not a single person that I spoke to in the crowd last night, was dissappointed in moving Schoeny. If you can get that kind of flat suppport for the movement of a player, that should tell you something.

 

It may be bitterness, as you see it, but just wait till that taste is in your mouth. You can't say I didn't warn ya!!

[Chisoxfn]

Take the wait and see approach.  There's really no reason to prejudge.  However, where I'm from, having had to endure Schoeny for the last 2 1/2 years (his first year he showed promise, but it was all downhill from there) all I'll say is that about the only complaint that anyone had last night at the ball park was that, with lefties at such a supposed premium, all the Angels could get was Glover and the prospects?  And they had to give up a AAA prospect as well for that?  There was a lot of questioning about that.  No one, not a single person that I spoke to in the crowd last night, was dissappointed in moving Schoeny.  If you can get that kind of flat suppport for the movement of a player, that should tell you something.

 

It may be bitterness, as you see it, but just wait till that taste is in your mouth.  You can't say I didn't warn ya!!

I think you guys will like Glover, but he's a big step down in your pen. The pen is awesome.

 

I go to like 20 games a year and I noticed Scho's velocity is way up this year from last year and he's been dominant this month out of the pen.

 

I think the Angels gave up on him too soon, but I have no idea what others thought. I know my friends and I (They are all big Angel fans too) always liked him.

 

Either way I wish the Angels the best of luck, but they need to get 2 starters in there and they at least got rid of one of their problems (Appier).

[clujer420]

Take the wait and see approach.  There's really no reason to prejudge.  However, where I'm from, having had to endure Schoeny for the last 2 1/2 years (his first year he showed promise, but it was all downhill from there) all I'll say is that about the only complaint that anyone had last night at the ball park was that, with lefties at such a supposed premium, all the Angels could get was Glover and the prospects?  And they had to give up a AAA prospect as well for that?  There was a lot of questioning about that.  No one, not a single person that I spoke to in the crowd last night, was dissappointed in moving Schoeny.  If you can get that kind of flat suppport for the movement of a player, that should tell you something.

 

It may be bitterness, as you see it, but just wait till that taste is in your mouth.  You can't say I didn't warn ya!!

I think you guys will like Glover, but he's a big step down in your pen. The pen is awesome.

 

I go to like 20 games a year and I noticed Scho's velocity is way up this year from last year and he's been dominant this month out of the pen.

 

I think the Angels gave up on him too soon, but I have no idea what others thought. I know my friends and I (They are all big Angel fans too) always liked him.

 

Either way I wish the Angels the best of luck, but they need to get 2 starters in there and they at least got rid of one of their problems (Appier).

The Angels are finished for '03. We would be too, but we're in a weak division. Unfortunately for the Angels, they have 2 very good teams in front of them, and their chances of catching the Red Sox/Yankees (the likely wild card winner) are slim and none. The Angels' play since the ASB has killed any hope they may have had left.

[YASNY]

Of course, we'll take the wait and see approach. But we also used the same approach with Jiminez, and his ex-teammates on the Pads seemed to have him pegged pretty accurately, IMO. While readinmg SkipperFan's original post, I kept wondering how Jason would respond. I'm glad Jason was able to give us another perspective of the local point of view.

 

As far as the starting thing, KW has already said he'll get the chance to crack the rotation next spring, so SS should be happy about that. But, it won't be a n easy rotation to crack, either.