NBA playoffs thread

[MHizzle85]

I don't think you realize how good Dirk is... if David Lee is going to get a max contract (bet on it) then Dirk is certainly worth the same money.

Agreed. With that being said, I'd like to see Dirk in a Bulls uni.

 

Which says more about how screwed up the NBA's current system is than it does about either player.

NBA GM's have thrown money around very foolishly for the most part the last few years, I'd argue that NBA GM's may spend their money more poorly than the GM of any other major sport.

 

If its not Doug Collins, I will be displeased.

Guess you're gonna be displeased then.

[Brian]

VDN officially gone

[southsider2k5]

If its not Doug Collins, I will be displeased.

 

I'd love to have Collins back.

[Quin]

Guess you're gonna be displeased then.

 

If we get Byron Scott, I will hit a kitten.

[DBAHO]

Can't see the Bulls hiring Collins simply because JR will never want to fire him.

 

If they don't get Avery Johnson (and I think he'll end up in New Orleans instead), it's pretty much a bust scenario for the Bulls.

[Felix]

Now out of those 6 names, I'd say McHale could actually have the most upside. But I'd doubt they'd target him. Casey's a pretty hot name ATM, seems as if the Clippers job is his if he wants it.

I'm not so sure McHale would jump back into coaching. He's never liked all of the traveling involved with being a coach, and seems to be pretty happy as an analyst for TNT. That said, I liked McHale as a coach in Minnesota and think he'd do a great job in an organization with a fan base that doesn't already hate him for years of ineptitude in the front office. His players have always loved playing for him and he definitely knows the game.

[ZoomSlowik]

that's why he is not getting a max contract at 16 million a year

 

maybe he would get a 5 year 55-60 million contract

 

at least he is an all star, if you want to talk about screw up, then look at pitchers in mlb, like Jeremy Bonderman and Kris Benson, guys are not even all stars, but get 10-12 million a year. or look at nfl rookies, guys haven't even taken a snap but gets a 60 million contract and 40 million guaranteed. if you want to talk about screw sports. the nba is not on top of the list

 

Apparently you've never heard of Eric Dampier, Samuel Dalembert or Tyson Chandler. None was particularly close to an All-Star, and all got multi-year deals at over $10 mil a year because they're tall. Bench players like Nazr Mohammed and Dan Gadzuric often get $7 mil a year too, and slightly above average small forwards like Richard Jefferson and Bobby Simmons can easily get $12 mil a year.

 

I also found it funny that you later said people don't pay busts that don't produce in the NBA, specifically in reference to Kwame Brown and Darko Milicic. Both players signed lucrative long-term contracts after their rookie deal (can't find confirmation on Brown right now, but I believe both were around 3-21 for players that have been awful) on top of the $18 mil or so they got over the life of their rookie deals (which is all guaranteed).

 

The NBA doesn't guarantee as much money to rookies as the NFL (about $15-18 mil over 4 years for a top-5 pick), but it still does more than the MLB and they give out as many/more big contracts to marginal players as any other sport. You can also get to the $16 mil+ tier pretty quickly by being the best player on a .500-ish team like Andrei Kirilenko, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd or Andre Iguodala.

 

And those are way worse in comparison with the other leagues because the cap is below $60 mil.

Edited May 4, 2010 by ZoomSlowik

[SoxAce]

Zoom I wanted to ask you personally. What coach would you want the Bulls getting judging by who is available? Would it matter in your eyes? I got my own couple, but I'll reserve judgment since I don't think it's THAT big of a deal.

[ZoomSlowik]

Zoom I wanted to ask you personally. What coach would you want the Bulls getting judging by who is available? Would it matter in your eyes? I got my own couple, but I'll reserve judgment since I don't think it's THAT big of a deal.

 

I really don't follow other teams' coaches closely enough to make educated comments. I focus more on players unless they have an impact on my fantasy players like D'Antoni or Rambis (stop giving significant minutes to scrubs like Ryan Hollins and get Jefferson and Love back on the floor damn it!).

[Felix]

I really don't follow other teams' coaches closely enough to make educated comments. I focus more on players unless they have an impact on my fantasy players like D'Antoni or Rambis (stop giving significant minutes to scrubs like Ryan Hollins and get Jefferson and Love back on the floor damn it!).

I will never understand why Hollins got as much time as he did this year. He nearly finished the season with more fouls than rebounds, which is just pathetic for a guy that's 7'0".

[RockRaines]

VDN officially gone

I know slot of people hate him , but I saw him develop what could have been a weak core into one of the better ones in the league with Rose, Gibson, Noah and maybe Johnson or deng from what I thought was garbage (excluding Rose as he us awesome). I ate slot of crow on noah and Gibson. I honestly don't know what another coach would have done better. 2 playoff appearences with avg rosters. I guess with a star and an experienced coach it will be better next season, but I think he was pretty good while here.

[Brian]

I know slot of people hate him , but I saw him develop what could have been a weak core into one of the better ones in the league with Rose, Gibson, Noah and maybe Johnson or deng from what I thought was garbage (excluding Rose as he us awesome). I ate slot of crow on noah and Gibson. I honestly don't know what another coach would have done better. 2 playoff appearences with avg rosters. I guess with a star and an experienced coach it will be better next season, but I think he was pretty good while here.

 

I'm sort of with you. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get another head coaching gig and succeed.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I know slot of people hate him , but I saw him develop what could have been a weak core into one of the better ones in the league with Rose, Gibson, Noah and maybe Johnson or deng from what I thought was garbage (excluding Rose as he us awesome). I ate slot of crow on noah and Gibson. I honestly don't know what another coach would have done better. 2 playoff appearences with avg rosters. I guess with a star and an experienced coach it will be better next season, but I think he was pretty good while here.

 

All I know is JP better get fired before the next coach does.

[MurcieOne]

I know slot of people hate him , but I saw him develop what could have been a weak core into one of the better ones in the league with Rose, Gibson, Noah and maybe Johnson or deng from what I thought was garbage (excluding Rose as he us awesome). I ate slot of crow on noah and Gibson. I honestly don't know what another coach would have done better. 2 playoff appearences with avg rosters. I guess with a star and an experienced coach it will be better next season, but I think he was pretty good while here.

 

I think you can give Vinny credit for developing Taj and Noah (not as much Rose because I think he's just a transcendent talent), but where I think Vinny deserves to be criticized is his handling of the X's and O's. Basketball people say that you can base the tactical ability of a coach depending on how the team runs plays out of time outs. I can honestly say that I rarely, if ever, saw the bulls run successful plays out of timeouts. You saw it all the time with Skiles, but rarely if ever with VDN. Now I'm not sure how this exactly corresponds to VDN's overall ability to coach, but I think it tells you something.

 

Maybe Vinny belongs more on the player development side of things and not behind the bench.

[MurcieOne]

Anyone besides me notice how dominant Amar'e has been recently? He's playing great on both ends of the floor, which hasn't always been the case. Maybe he wouldn't be such a bad acquisition this off-season after all?

[maggsmaggs]

The Bulls will be working from a shortlist of coaching candidates that includes Kevin McHale, Lawrence Frank, Maurice Cheeks and Jeff Van Gundy.

 

All four previously have been NBA head coaches - McHale in Minnesota, Frank in New Jersey, Cheeks with Portland and Philadelphia, Van Gundy in New York and Houston. Cheeks is a Chicago native, while Van Gundy reportedly turned down a chance to interview for the 76ers opening.

 

Some others who might join the list are former Toronto boss Sam Mitchell and Boston assistant Tom Thibodeau.

 

Among the coaches not expected to draw interest from the Bulls are Collins, Byron Scott and Avery Johnson. The Bulls would have interest in Celtics coach Doc Rivers, but he's under contract for another year in Boston.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=378042&src=150

 

I pray to god Maurice Cheeks is not a serious candidate for the Bulls job. He's never got past the first round of the playoffs in nine years of head coaching. Out of that list, I would want JVG first, then Kevin McHale. Frank is not the type to draw a prime free agents and Cheeks is just awful. Man, that list is pretty depressing after JVG who I would have to imagine would just prefer to stick to broadcasting where he is awesome. And the whole VDN situation is tough for me, I am really ambivalent. On one hand, Vinny was not a great coach. He couldn't draw up plays, didn't seem to have the respect of the players despite many supporting him recently and just made curious decisions about a lot of other things. On the other hand, he was a first-time coach as a head coach in the NBA, he really gave Rose a lot of control in Year Two and under his direction Rose/Noah became All Star-type players. I don't believe any other coach would have had more success than Vinny did given the circumstances with the Bulls. I guess the biggest issue he has was that he wasn't going to be able to land a big-time free agent.

Edited May 4, 2010 by maggsmaggs

[Brian]

Lawrence Frank? God help me

[southsider2k5]

I don't care about the X's and O'x right now. The Bulls need to go out and hire the best damned recruiter on the planet to be their next head coach. If they don't get one of the big names, it won't matter.

[Balta1701]

Is it possible to allow Bosh's agent to choose the coach?

[DBAHO]

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=378042&src=150

 

I pray to god Maurice Cheeks is not a serious candidate for the Bulls job. He's never got past the first round of the playoffs in nine years of head coaching. Out of that list, I would want JVG first, then Kevin McHale. Frank is not the type to draw a prime free agents and Cheeks is just awful. Man, that list is pretty depressing after JVG who I would have to imagine would just prefer to stick to broadcasting where he is awesome. And the whole VDN situation is tough for me, I am really ambivalent. On one hand, Vinny was not a great coach. He couldn't draw up plays, didn't seem to have the respect of the players despite many supporting him recently and just made curious decisions about a lot of other things. On the other hand, he was a first-time coach as a head coach in the NBA, he really gave Rose a lot of control in Year Two and under his direction Rose/Noah became All Star-type players. I don't believe any other coach would have had more success than Vinny did given the circumstances with the Bulls. I guess the biggest issue he has was that he wasn't going to be able to land a big-time free agent.

The only job I could see JVG having any sort of interest in would be the Nets job, and that's only if their new owner offers him about $10M a season to leave the broadcast booth.

 

McHale is a really interesting option, as Felix brought up some good points. He was a horrible GM, but he had the Wolves playing hard last season, and I think he deserves another opportunity with some real talent. I'm suprised the Bulls aren't going after Avery Johnson though, really suprised.

 

Also I read that Houston will be going all out to sign Chris Bosh. And that would be a good situation for him, alongside Brooks, Yao and Kevin Martin, that's a pretty nice young core, and it's his home state to boot.

[maggsmaggs]

The only job I could see JVG having any sort of interest in would be the Nets job, and that's only if their new owner offers him about $10M a season to leave the broadcast booth.

 

McHale is a really interesting option, as Felix brought up some good points. He was a horrible GM, but he had the Wolves playing hard last season, and I think he deserves another opportunity with some real talent. I'm suprised the Bulls aren't going after Avery Johnson though, really suprised.

 

Also I read that Houston will be going all out to sign Chris Bosh. And that would be a good situation for him, alongside Brooks, Yao and Kevin Martin, that's a pretty nice young core, and it's his home state to boot.

Here's from Dallas originally, so let's hope he hates the Rockets/Houston for some odd reason.

[Chisoxfn]

Van Gundy, Collins and Phil Jackson are the only FA coaches (or soon to be FA coaches) who interest me.

[knightni]

Lawrence Frank? God help me

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ldt1HqAycg

 

haha! (NSFW language)

[knightni]

If Dirk leaves Dallas, Cuban will be all over Bosh.

[Steve9347]

Why on Earth does everyone want Doug Collins? He wears out his welcome pretty quickly with the stars on his team wherever he goes.