jphat007 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 08:30 PM) Jake's velocity is up, he's thrown some nasty sliders....he just doesn't have his command tonight. It looks much less like nibbling to me than just not having a feel for the ball. A guy doesn't put up the numbers he has over the course of his career by nibbling, he busts out dominant stuff. If his stuff is inconsistent, as it is tonight, he's going to struggle. I can't believe y'all are so dismissive of a guy with a hell of a track record. What I'm seeing tonight has absolutely nothing to do with what league he's in, an injury, or confidence...he simply has not found his groove yet. Toronto was obviously his post-spring dead arm period and now he's working on getting everything back in synch. We're not paying this guy 16 million dollars, and gave up good players, to wait a month for him to figure it the f*** out. Edited April 23, 2010 by jphat007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 08:31 PM) His track record was in the NL in a mediocre division in the greatest pitcher's park ever invented. His numbers could be a lot worse this year, as there have been a ton of hard hit balls against him right at people. If you believe a guy with as nasty of a slider as Peavy has coupled with a 95MPH heater with movement got by on nothing but a big ballpark and weak division, eh, I can't convince you otherwise. Seems you're stretching to have his performance fit your narrative, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 08:32 PM) My bad for not flipping s*** about our former Cy Young pitcher, and one of the aces of the league having a rough start to the season. 4 starts down, 30+ to go. I'm not going to freak out and start wishing we never traded for him or say he is awful and can't pitch in the AL. Call me levelheaded I guess. He is not an ace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 08:26 PM) I....guess you can maybe get a hernia from standing on a ledge, but that's not a very good way to make your point. Please try again. Two different statements. Like "stop freaking out" before you "stress out and injury yourself". But I can tell you are clearly frustrated and on edge right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 02:33 AM) If you believe a guy with as nasty of a slider as Peavy has coupled with a 95MPH heater with movement got by on nothing but a big ballpark and weak division, eh, I can't convince you otherwise. Seems you're stretching to have his performance fit your narrative, imo. His slider is very average so far, and to say he throws 95 mph is like saying Jenks throw 96 mph now. They might peak at that, but the average fastball is a very mph slower and I haven't seen any movement at all on the fastball. And no I'm not stretching it, go back and view my posts around the first trade last year. Edited April 23, 2010 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (jphat007 @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 08:33 PM) He is not an ace. Oh he's not? I must be mixing him up with the former Padre's pitcher who won the Cy Young in 2007, and has been very, very solid over his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 ugh kotsay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 that was hilarious. nice base running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 08:34 PM) His slider is very average so far. And no I'm not stretching it, go back and view my posts around the first trade last year. In 4 starts..... what about all those years in San Diego, did he have an average slider then? Was it the seats behind home plate at Petco that made his slider look like one of the best in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Great job Kotsay, if you didn't dive you would have made it at second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 1 pitch, 1 out. Mark Kotsay everybody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 01:33 AM) If you believe a guy with as nasty of a slider as Peavy has coupled with a 95MPH heater with movement got by on nothing but a big ballpark and weak division, eh, I can't convince you otherwise. Seems you're stretching to have his performance fit your narrative, imo. Peavy is a good pither in a funk. Buerhle has been in flunks too and is also in a mni one now. They can pull out of it but I want it to be NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 08:35 PM) Oh he's not? I must be mixing him up with the former Padre's pitcher who won the Cy Young in 2007, and has been very, very solid over his career. He used to be an Ace. Sure. He isn't anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 02:35 AM) In 4 starts..... what about all those years in San Diego, did he have an average slider then? Was it the seats behind home plate at Petco that made his slider look like one of the best in the league? No, but NL hitters will make a lot of pitchers look a lot better than they are. What about all the scouts worried in the Spring about how much his stuff had seemingly deteriorated. Very few pitchers can throw as many sliders as he did for so many years in their 20s without losing their stuff quickly. Smoltz is basically an anomaly, and that's only cause he went to the bullpen. Edited April 23, 2010 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (jphat007 @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 08:33 PM) We're not paying this guy 16 million dollars, and gave up good players, to wait a month for him to figure it the f*** out. Don't we have Spring Training for that exact purpose anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (TitoMB @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 01:35 AM) 1 pitch, 1 out. Mark Kotsay everybody! Nice to see an offense with two sub players for today battig under .115 each Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 08:29 PM) hahahahahah riiiiiiiiiiight. Are you a Cubs fan? Dempster was a closer, why not move him there? That was my point it is not a baseball move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (jphat007 @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 01:36 AM) He used to be an Ace. Sure. He isn't anymore. I think he is stil an ace just like Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 god this site is unbearable sometimes. Must remove from bookmarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Apr 23, 2010 -> 01:36 AM) Don't we have Spring Training for that exact purpose anyway? Yes, and Peavy was busy building up arm strength and not working on his slider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 08:36 PM) Peavy is a good pither in a funk. Buerhle has been in flunks too and is also in a mni one now. They can pull out of it but I want it to be NOW! That's one of the things about having an offense that puts this much pressure on the pitching staff...it just doesn't allow time for a guy to have a few bad starts to figure it out. Don't get me wrong, Jake has been a huge disappointment thus far, but I'm with you, it's just a funk. I'd make that trade again tomorrow if I were KW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 08:37 PM) I think he is stil an ace just like Mark An ace gives your team a chance to win every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 08:38 PM) An ace gives your team a chance to win every night. By that definition, there are no aces in MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 It was good to see Ramirez go to right field on that single though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 QUOTE (jphat007 @ Apr 22, 2010 -> 08:36 PM) He used to be an Ace. Sure. He isn't anymore. That is really just an asinine conclusion to draw after a mere four starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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