Arizona requires you to carry your papers

[Balta1701]

So how many people have you taken in from these kind of situations?

Why, so you guys can arrest me?

[Y2HH]

Why, so you guys can arrest me?

 

Yes.

 

Reported.

[Balta1701]

Yes.

 

Reported.

Dude, I vote Democrat. My phone/email was monitored for the last 8 years.

[Y2HH]

Dude, I vote Democrat. My phone/email was monitored for the last 8 years.

 

I know, I have photos of the 35 illegals living in your home. I'm just waiting for enough back taxes and other such fines to pile up before we move in for the arrest.

 

People on Soxtalk will be like -- what ever happened to Balta?! And they'll say, that Kappie douchebag Y2HH ended up being a federal agent and arrested him for housing illegals.

 

And then they'll be all like

[BigSqwert]

I knew there was something fishy about that Diaper Cleaning van behind that Jewel in Bridgeport. I found it odd to have a satellite receiver on top.

[southsider2k5]

You honestly can tell me if you were in that family's shoes you'd go south?

 

I don't know, going away from the violence, and not breaking any laws are two things I try to do when I decide where to move.

[BigSqwert]

I don't know, going away from the violence, and not breaking any laws are two things I try to do when I decide where to move.

I don't think we're talking white collar people at these border towns. Your thought pattern changes a bit when you're at poverty levels.

 

And did you frown upon those that crossed the Berlin wall to enter West Germany back in the cold war era? They were breaking the law after all.

Edited May 11, 2010 by BigSqwert

[Texsox]

It is interesting that drug cartels taking over houses hasn't been reported or talked about here. The violence across the river has been talked about, but we've been more worried about it crossing over. And we do have to worry about mexico and their situation. We have lived with the luxery of a peaceful neighbor. It has saved us untold trillions of dollars. Imagine if a socialist or communist government took control. Not as far fetched as it sounds.

 

 

[Y2HH]

I don't think we're talking white collar people at these border towns. Your thought pattern changes a bit when you're at poverty levels.

 

And did you frown upon those that crossed the Berlin wall to enter West Germany back in the cold war era? They were breaking the law after all.

 

Breaking the law is one thing -- accepting the consequences in such a situation is another.

 

I'll be the first to admit that in a similar situation, I'd do the same...I'd accept the fact that I have to break laws to live, however, in doing that, I also have to accept the possible outcome of breaking said laws. In this case, to me, the risk would be worth the possible reward...but if I was caught, I'd also have to accept THAT outcome, too.

 

My father fled Germany in the early 50's, depression ridden, and came to the US legally, painstakingly, and with no money. He made a life for himself and his family, and he did it 100%. He's an American citizen now, considers me and my brother Americans, and said he has no interest in returning to the country he fled. He embraced the American way in every aspect.

 

I remember as a child, we were called down the principals office because my father had filled out the school application and crossed out what ancestry (when they still asked this), and wrote American for us. They literally told him you can't do that...and he said, well, I did...because that's what they are, Americans. They're not Germans. They've never been Germans. So they'll be treated as Americans.

 

I think the problem today is a lot of people come here for the easier life, but refuse to become American, despite gaining citizenship...they still love to float their countries flags. Go back there if it was so great. I'm all for people having opportunity, but recognize who gave you that opportunity, and MELT, as they love to say. Leave your flags where they belong, and understand you now stand beneath the star spangled banner.

 

They want to be Americans, yet they don't. This annoys me to no end today.

Edited May 11, 2010 by Y2HH

[Balta1701]

My father fled Germany in the early 50's, depression ridden, and came to the US legally, painstakingly, and with no money. He made a life for himself and his family, and he did it 100%. He's an American citizen now, considers me and my brother Americans, and said he has no interest in returning to the country he fled. He embraced the American way in every aspect.

And if people from Europe faced the same immigration restrictions that we've put on Mexicans...he'd have had to choose between not immigrating and immigrating illegally.

[BigSqwert]

Breaking the law is one thing -- accepting the consequences in such a situation is another.

 

I'll be the first to admit that in a similar situation, I'd do the same...I'd accept the fact that I have to break laws to live, however, in doing that, I also have to accept the possible outcome of breaking said laws. In this case, to me, the risk would be worth the possible reward...but if I was caught, I'd also have to accept THAT outcome, too.

 

My father fled Germany in the early 50's, depression ridden, and came to the US legally, painstakingly, and with no money. He made a life for himself and his family, and he did it 100%. He's an American citizen now, considers me and my brother Americans, and said he has no interest in returning to the country he fled. He embraced the American way in every aspect.

 

I remember as a child, we were called down the principals office because my father had filled out the school application and crossed out what ancestry (when they still asked this), and wrote American for us. They literally told him you can't do that...and he said, well, I did...because that's what they are, Americans. They're not Germans. They've never been Germans. So they'll be treated as Americans.

 

I appreciate the story of your grandfather. It's very similar to the story of my parents and many others of European decent. But if there wasn't an ocean between the 2 continents there'd probably be a heck of a lot more illegal from Europe.

[BigSqwert]

I think the problem today is a lot of people come here for the easier life, but refuse to become American, despite gaining citizenship...they still love to float their countries flags. Go back there if it was so great. I'm all for people having opportunity, but recognize who gave you that opportunity, and MELT, as they love to say. Leave your flags where they belong, and understand you now stand beneath the star spangled banner.

 

They want to be Americans, yet they don't. This annoys me to no end today.

GMAFB about the flag b.s. Who gives a s***.

[Y2HH]

GMAFB about the flag b.s. Who gives a s***.

 

I do. Come here and become one of us. That was once enough for people...now it's not. They want to come here with all of our rights, and privileges, but they refuse to accept who they are now, embracing a past that wasn't good enough for them in the first place.

 

I know it's a minor gripe in the grand scheme of things...but it still annoys me.

[NorthSideSox72]

I do. Come here and become one of us. That was once enough for people...now it's not. They want to come here with all of our rights, and privileges, but they refuse to accept who they are now, embracing a past that wasn't good enough for them in the first place.

 

I know it's a minor gripe in the grand scheme of things...but it still annoys me.

You lost me on this one. Why is it a problem for people to fly a flag that isn't a US flag? Walk into my home, and on the wall you will find a family crest and a family history scroll from Ireland. Does that make me less American? I think not.

 

[Y2HH]

You lost me on this one. Why is it a problem for people to fly a flag that isn't a US flag? Walk into my home, and on the wall you will find a family crest and a family history scroll from Ireland. Does that make me less American? I think not.

 

There is a difference in acknowledging your heritage, and remembering it, and embracing it...and then there is completely ignoring that you're American now, which isn't what you're talking about at all. I have no problem with that variation of what you are explaining versus what I'm explaining. I do, however, have a problem with people who come here, become citizens, and then refuse to stand during our national anthem because it's "not their anthem", or those who choose to fly their native countries flags, but never fly the US flag nor care, yet they're the first to hide behind the laws of our land.

 

If that's you, f*** you too.

[southsider2k5]

I don't think we're talking white collar people at these border towns. Your thought pattern changes a bit when you're at poverty levels.

 

And did you frown upon those that crossed the Berlin wall to enter West Germany back in the cold war era? They were breaking the law after all.

 

Go back and read my plan.

[kitekrazy]

 

 

What you don't read in the news is the problems they are facing in Europe with the illegal immigrants from the Middle East. They have that same entitlement mentality.

[Controlled Chaos]

And if people from Europe faced the same immigration restrictions that we've put on Mexicans...he'd have had to choose between not immigrating and immigrating illegally.

Really?? I don't pretend to know all the restrictions...I'm sure others have parents that have gone through it and they can maybe explain it better, but things were pretty restrictive for my wife's Grandma.

For her to come here from Italy she had to be sponsored by a citizen and she had to have proof of employment. She left her 3 kids in Italy with her husband while she came here alone to see if they can make a better life here. That was in 62...Her husband and the kids, including my mother in law, were able to come over in 64. The quota for Italians was 5,666 back then. Seems pretty restrictive to me.

[Balta1701]

Really?? I don't pretend to know all the restrictions...I'm sure others have parents that have gone through it and they can maybe explain it better, but things were pretty restrictive for my wife's Grandma.

For her to come here from Italy she had to be sponsored by a citizen and she had to have proof of employment. She left her 3 kids in Italy with her husband while she came here alone to see if they can make a better life here. That was in 62...Her husband and the kids, including my mother in law, were able to come over in 64. The quota for Italians was 5,666 back then. Seems pretty restrictive to me.

Right now, this is basically the case for immigration from Central and south american countries: even if you have a job lined up, there are no permanent Visas available, only temporary worker permits (and for those, you better be both very skilled and very lucky, because there's vastly more demand for H1B visas than there are of those). Your grandmother couldn't have gotten in unless the person who was sponsoring her was also her spouse. And even then, we're talking about years.

For Mexico and the Philippines the only categories of immigrant visa available in practice are those for immediate dependent family of U.S. citizens. Persons who applied since 1994 have not been in the categories for adult children and siblings, and trends show that these data are unlikely to change. In fact, the trend has recently been moving in the opposite direction. Immigrant work visas run about 6 to 8 years behind current.[clarification needed][10] While the government does not publish data on the number of pending applications, the evidence is that the backlog in those categories dwarfs the yearly quotas.

[Texsox]

Few thoughts.

 

Not everyone here is planning on staying forever. There are students, people on a temporary work assigment, etc. Actually way more than you think. I don't expect them to suddenly embrace all things American.

 

People have different ways to show their love of country. I never agreed with the America, love it or leave it point of view. We have the right to criticize the government.

 

I guess some of y'all would be unhappy to hear my students signing the Star Spangeld Banner in French, Spanish, and English?

[Y2HH]

Few thoughts.

 

Not everyone here is planning on staying forever. There are students, people on a temporary work assigment, etc. Actually way more than you think. I don't expect them to suddenly embrace all things American.

 

People have different ways to show their love of country. I never agreed with the America, love it or leave it point of view. We have the right to criticize the government.

 

I guess some of y'all would be unhappy to hear my students signing the Star Spangeld Banner in French, Spanish, and English?

 

I have no problem with criticizing government. Love it or leave it is stupid, and not what I'm saying. I'm merely saying if it was so great where you're from, why'd you come here at all if it was on a permanent basis. Those coming here on a temporary basis, legally, can continue to do what they want...also not the people I'm talking about.

 

To drop any political correctness here, I'm talking about the illegals who come here for a better life, but still fly that flag they ran from. :usa :usa

 

Edited May 11, 2010 by Y2HH

[Controlled Chaos]

Right now, this is basically the case for immigration from Central and south american countries: even if you have a job lined up, there are no permanent Visas available, only temporary worker permits (and for those, you better be both very skilled and very lucky, because there's vastly more demand for H1B visas than there are of those). Your grandmother couldn't have gotten in unless the person who was sponsoring her was also her spouse. And even then, we're talking about years.

She waited years and when she was able to come legally...she did....just saying it wasn't easy back then either. I can't even imagine how coming here illegally would have been done back then...but she didn't pursue it anyway. She waited until her name was called.

[Soxy]

To drop any political correctness here, I'm talking about the illegals who come here for a better life, but still fly that flag they ran from. :usa :usa

 

But you are okay with legal immigrants or citizens who fly the Irish, Italian, Mexican, Finnish or German flag?

[Y2HH]

But you are okay with legal immigrants or citizens who fly the Irish, Italian, Mexican, Finnish or German flag?

 

No, but the new flag they stand beneath as legal citizens says they can, even if I find it disrespectful. So even if I don't like it, I accept it. From illegals, however, I don't accept it at all...they should leave if that other flag represents something so great.

Edited May 11, 2010 by Y2HH

[BigSqwert]

No, but the new flag they stand beneath as legal citizens says they can, even if I find it disrespectful. So even if I don't like it, I accept it. From illegals, however, I don't accept it at all...they should leave if that other flag represents something so great.

You must have a lot of foreign friends.