chetkincaid Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 12:12 PM) Meh, no thanks. I would rather take Lance Berkman since he will come much cheaper. Who would you be willing to give up for Berkman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 12:18 PM) True, but Fielder has one year of arb left after the current contract, so you'd get him for relatively cheap for a 2nd year. Berkman, I believe, has an expensive option for that next year. Fielder is going to cost anywhere between $13-16 mill next year. Relatively speaking, yes, that is about 50-70% of the value he will get when he signs as a free agent, but that's still a very large number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Becoming a vegetarian is a pretty big step to take. Coop will fix him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 12:34 PM) Coop will fix him. Don't you mean Herm Schneider? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Milwaukee is going to want starting pitching for Prince considering theirs is God awful, even Gallardo isn't what he used to be. In my honest opinion I think its going to take Floyd or Danks. You also then have to take into account that Fielder is going to be up for a big time raise in a couple of years. I don't think it's worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Don't you mean Herm Schneider? Yeah Herm can fix him but we always allude to Coop fixing everything so why not tubby?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Fielder is actually less desirable than either AGon or a lesser bat like Berkman or Hawpe because of his contract, his body, his agent, and his price in terms of talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 12:40 PM) Yeah Herm can fix him but we always allude to Coop fixing everything so why not tubby?? I was alluding to the fact that both of them weigh about 430 lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 The whole premise is stupid. The Sox could trade for any player but what's left of the team after the trade? Viciedo isn't going to interest, let alone excite, the Brewers. So, the Sox send Rios and Floyd to Milwaukee for him. Would the Sox be a better team ? Not at all. The only way that KW makes a deal like that is with minor leaguers. And, the Sox have crap in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted April 28, 2010 Author Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 12:54 PM) The whole premise is stupid. The Sox could trade for any player but what's left of the team after the trade? Viciedo isn't going to interest, let alone excite, the Brewers. So, the Sox send Rios and Floyd to Milwaukee for him. Would the Sox be a better team ? Not at all. The only way that KW makes a deal like that is with minor leaguers. And, the Sox have crap in the minors. The Sox do have some pieces in the minors, depending on what MIL wants in exchange for 1.5 years of Fielder. Hudson struggled a lot in his last start but is still highly considered, Shirek looks good in AA, and there are some toolsy guys further down the line that might help a package. Add to that someone like Jordan Danks, and it starts to get into the right territory for a relatively expensive rental and the salary relief that MIL is seeking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Where would he play?! Seriously. What happens to Paulie? Do we shop him elsewhere in a 3 way deal? Or would he part of the deal and MIL can just let him go after this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 02:13 PM) Where would he play?! Seriously. What happens to Paulie? Do we shop him elsewhere in a 3 way deal? Or would he part of the deal and MIL can just let him go after this year? You don't trade for Fielder so that he can play effective 1b defense. He's as ideal of a DH as there is in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 07:30 AM) Its Phil Rogers, but, I couldn't not post it. Enjoy. If the Sox can actually manage to get back above .500 and in the race, then you can add Fielder to the A-Gon/Berkman/??? talks for the Sox. Of course, they still have a ways to go before they are even really in it again. Thanks for the warning. Thread closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 01:13 PM) You don't trade for Fielder so that he can play effective 1b defense. He's as ideal of a DH as there is in baseball. Do we leave Jones in the OF with Q and Rios and make Pierre a bench player? Sign me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 02:16 PM) Do we leave Jones in the OF with Q and Rios and make Pierre a bench player? Sign me up. At this point, yeah, you take your pick out of Q and Pierre who you bench. The Red Sox have Lowell and Beltre at 3rd, Youkilis at 1b, Martinez and Ortiz, and a lot of them can rotate through the DH slot. But with Ortiz's struggles, its pretty obvious why they're involved in every talk involving a 1b bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 01:17 PM) At this point, yeah, you take your pick out of Q and Pierre who you bench. The Red Sox have Lowell and Beltre at 3rd, Youkilis at 1b, Martinez and Ortiz, and a lot of them can rotate through the DH slot. But with Ortiz's struggles, its pretty obvious why they're involved in every talk involving a 1b bat. Because Ortiz is washed up, Lowell's contract runs out at the end of this season, and they could certainly use another bat in the middle of their lineup after this season. They also have the money to allow both Lowell and Ortiz to remain on the bench, while the Sox do not have that luxury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 01:16 PM) Do we leave Jones in the OF with Q and Rios and make Pierre a bench player? Sign me up. Well, if the Sox were to impose some weight restrictions on Fielder and he were limited in his meals, he may just devour Pierre as a seventh inning stretch snack. Problem solved. Edited April 28, 2010 by hogan873 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (hogan873 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 01:38 PM) Well, if the Sox were to impose some weight restrictions on Fielder and he were limited in his meals, he may just devour Pierre as a seventh inning stretch snack. Problem solved. With his noodle arm he might taste like fettuccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 01:28 PM) Because Ortiz is washed up, Lowell's contract runs out at the end of this season, and they could certainly use another bat in the middle of their lineup after this season. They also have the money to allow both Lowell and Ortiz to remain on the bench, while the Sox do not have that luxury. Ortiz's contract is also up after this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 (edited) The Sox could try to sweeten a contract extention by promising to call him King Fielder in lieu of extra money. Edited April 28, 2010 by hogan873 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 It's going to take a lot more than Gavin Floyd to get Fielder. You can forget that one. It begins and ends with JD1, in terms of any discussion. Trading one of the top 3-5 young lefties in the game, when he's a lot cheaper than Fielder....and once again, he's LEFT-HANDED and OUR ACE, for a DH/1B/LF bat making more or less TWICE what Danks makes (over the next two seasons) is insanity. KW would be crazy to do that. And there's a good possibility we have to chop $10-15 million from payroll, too. That could come in the form of shedding Jenks and AJ with Paulie signing to a $13 million, 2 year deal with a 3rd option year included...but then we still have to deal with other players (like Danks and Pierre) bumping up in salary too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 01:40 PM) With his noodle arm he might taste like fettuccine. Someone with good photoshop skills, please put together a photo of Pierre with noodle arm and Fielder salivating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 02:04 PM) It's going to take a lot more than Gavin Floyd to get Fielder. You can forget that one. It begins and ends with JD1, in terms of any discussion. Trading one of the top 3-5 young lefties in the game, when he's a lot cheaper than Fielder....and once again, he's LEFT-HANDED and OUR ACE, for a DH/1B/LF bat making more or less TWICE what Danks makes (over the next two seasons) is insanity. KW would be crazy to do that. And there's a good possibility we have to chop $10-15 million from payroll, too. That could come in the form of shedding Jenks and AJ with Paulie signing to a $13 million, 2 year deal with a 3rd option year included...but then we still have to deal with other players (like Danks and Pierre) bumping up in salary too. There is a 0.0% chance that any team would have to or will give up a young Ace for Fielder. Maybe thats what they want, but they wont get it. Someone like Buehrle or Hudson + is alot closer to what they would get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 So we're back to Hudson, Flowers and Jordan Danks/Morel again, just like the A-Gonz discussions, basically... YES? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 28, 2010 -> 03:11 PM) There is a 0.0% chance that any team would have to or will give up a young Ace for Fielder. Maybe thats what they want, but they wont get it. Someone like Buehrle or Hudson + is alot closer to what they would get. Buehrle + Jenks is probably the ideal package in terms of need for the Brewers. I just think that the ages and contracts of both players might turn the Brewers off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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