Balta1701 Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ May 11, 2010 -> 05:16 PM) Yup. You calculate it by taking a batter's weighted on base average (wOBA) and converting it to runs produced on offense. Then you take UZR and convert it into runs saved on defense. Add them together, add the replacement level production, add a position adjustment value, and you have your runs above replacement. Every 10 runs = 1 win share. Rios has a 1.8 WAR right now, meaning he has produced/saved 18 runs above replacement level production. You know what really bothers me about WAR? It's the 10 runs/win. Think about it, you have all these complicated numbers calculated out to 3 or 4 significant figures. OPS of 1.012, wOBA of 0.352, UZR numbers of 10.5, on each of those you're calculating and probably keeping more significant figures to calculate runs saved. Then, you just slap a single significant figure on it, 10 runs/win, and voila. Really, it's not 9.453 runs/win? It's exactly 10.0000, in every circumstance, in every season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 12, 2010 Author Share Posted May 12, 2010 Per Cowley, Jones not expected to play Friday either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 12, 2010 -> 03:05 PM) Per Cowley, Jones not expected to play Friday either. We must treat him like a delicate flower. Always said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 12, 2010 -> 11:21 AM) You know what really bothers me about WAR? It's the 10 runs/win. Think about it, you have all these complicated numbers calculated out to 3 or 4 significant figures. OPS of 1.012, wOBA of 0.352, UZR numbers of 10.5, on each of those you're calculating and probably keeping more significant figures to calculate runs saved. Then, you just slap a single significant figure on it, 10 runs/win, and voila. Really, it's not 9.453 runs/win? It's exactly 10.0000, in every circumstance, in every season? thats pretty funny. and its wins above replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 (edited) That it's 10 runs/win isn't important. It's an easy baseline to compare players to each other with. Edit: At least that's my understanding. Edited May 12, 2010 by JorgeFabregas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Apparently Tom Paciorek will be doing color along side Ed Farmer for the KC series filling in for DJ. So you'll have Hawk and the Big Hurt on TV with Farmio and Wimpy on the radio. What a bizarre weekend of White Sox broadcasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 DJ have family stuff this week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 12, 2010 -> 07:29 PM) Apparently Tom Paciorek will be doing color along side Ed Farmer for the KC series filling in for DJ. So you'll have Hawk and the Big Hurt on TV with Farmio and Wimpy on the radio. What a bizarre weekend of White Sox broadcasts. I don't know if my brain can handle that mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 What happened to DJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 (edited) For those who didn't see this catch. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play...tent_id=7977171 I hate Pierre (though I now sound like a broken record) but his reaction was hilarious. Edited May 13, 2010 by SoxAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (SoxAce @ May 13, 2010 -> 02:51 AM) For those who didn't see this catch. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play...tent_id=7977171 I hate Pierre (though I now sound like a broken record) but his reaction was hilarious. I saw it while I was watching it and laughed. Haha, it was classic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (TitoMB @ May 13, 2010 -> 02:09 AM) What happened to DJ? Found it. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...y-A7QAD9FL1K8O4 White Sox radio analyst Darrin Jackson is missing the series to tend to a family matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Oh crap, the Twins have wired their opponent's locker room specifically to allow them to annoy opposing managers. Manager Ozzie Guillen moved his postgame session out of his office after his television set spontaneously was turned on and the Twins' broadcasters were praising journeyman Carl Pavano's performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I sincerely hope Hawk is able to either apologize to Wimpy or at least mend fences. What happened to Paciorek was horrific enough, having someone he was that close with react like he did was even worse. I really have to think something happened between them already, I cannot imagine Paciorek being able to be in the next booth without a truce being called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 13, 2010 -> 09:11 AM) I sincerely hope Hawk is able to either apologize to Wimpy or at least mend fences. What happened to Paciorek was horrific enough, having someone he was that close with react like he did was even worse. I really have to think something happened between them already, I cannot imagine Paciorek being able to be in the next booth without a truce being called. I know what happened to Wimpy, but I don't remember anything about Hawk's reaction to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 13, 2010 -> 09:14 AM) I know what happened to Wimpy, but I don't remember anything about Hawk's reaction to it? I don't even know what happened to him. I just thought those two didn't get along - what's the story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Wimpy told Hawk about his abuse at the hands of a priest, and Hawk basically freaked out and turned his back on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 13, 2010 -> 09:52 AM) Wimpy told Hawk about his abuse at the hands of a priest, and Hawk basically freaked out and turned his back on him. The story I heard was that Hawk also turned around and told other people (even making Wimpy out to be the butt of jokes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 13, 2010 -> 02:44 PM) The story I heard was that Hawk also turned around and told other people (even making Wimpy out to be the butt of jokes). Well that's s***ty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 13, 2010 Author Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 13, 2010 -> 02:49 PM) Well that's s***ty. Yeah if that's true then he's a straight up douche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 13, 2010 -> 07:53 PM) Yeah if that's true then he's a straight up douche. I've heard that Hawk and Farmer are EXTREMELY difficult to work with. If true, poor DJ. Edited May 13, 2010 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Why is this coming up again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 13, 2010 -> 02:44 PM) The story I heard was that Hawk also turned around and told other people (even making Wimpy out to be the butt of jokes). Yep that's what I heard too. I could see Hawk being kind of a douche, same goes for Farmer re: fathon saying he heard he's extremely difficult to work with. Edited May 13, 2010 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ May 13, 2010 -> 03:10 PM) Why is this coming up again? because we have the day off?? i sat up in the booth with hawk and dj back when they were partners. dj was very cool and talked to me a lot between innings. hawk pretty much ignored me. another time we were at a team party in the offseason and i introduced my girlfriend to hawk. he proceeded to slobber all over her face. she is still traumatized by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 QUOTE (docsox24 @ May 13, 2010 -> 04:17 PM) because we have the day off?? i sat up in the booth with hawk and dj back when they were partners. dj was very cool and talked to me a lot between innings. hawk pretty much ignored me. another time we were at a team party in the offseason and i introduced my girlfriend to hawk. he proceeded to slobber all over her face. she is still traumatized by it. QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 12, 2010 -> 08:29 PM) Apparently Tom Paciorek will be doing color along side Ed Farmer for the KC series filling in for DJ. So you'll have Hawk and the Big Hurt on TV with Farmio and Wimpy on the radio. What a bizarre weekend of White Sox broadcasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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