JPN366 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ May 3, 2010 -> 01:28 PM) Maybe the other Gordon is on his way to San Diego... Doesn't that constitute Soxtalk blasphemy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 They can't be giving up on this kid already... There is either something wrong with him, or this is a ploy of some sort. And on a side note, how does KC not get more trashing for their player development? Year after year we hear about all of this talent in their system, and no one really ever lives up to it. Greinke and Soria are the only ones really. Especially their position players just seem to fall apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 3, 2010 -> 01:36 PM) They can't be giving up on this kid already... There is either something wrong with him, or this is a ploy of some sort. And on a side note, how does KC not get more trashing for their player development? Year after year we hear about all of this talent in their system, and no one really ever lives up to it. Greinke and Soria are the only ones really. Especially their position players just seem to fall apart. And Greinke very nearly fell apart mentally too, luckily was able to turn it around in his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (JPN366 @ May 3, 2010 -> 01:36 PM) Doesn't that constitute Soxtalk blasphemy? Not when he's hitting .211 and trading him would mean Mr. Gonzalez would be wearing a White Sox jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Moore would ask for Gordon Beckham and work down from there. Sometimes we really overvalue our own players and undervalue others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (chisoxt @ May 3, 2010 -> 01:34 PM) Much of Gordon's problem has been staying healthy. It has been noted by some that Herm has a pretty good reputation of limiting time loss to the disabled list. Granted, there are many things outside of a trainer's control, but it is worth mentioning. If a guy is injury prone then that's what he is. I don't subscribe to any theory that a trainer can somehow limit player injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ May 3, 2010 -> 01:41 PM) Not when he's hitting .211 and trading him would mean Mr. Gonzalez would be wearing a White Sox jersey. Yes, giving up on your 23-year old 1st rounder just over 100 PA's into his second season because he's hitting .211 makes perfect sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 3, 2010 -> 01:36 PM) They can't be giving up on this kid already... There is either something wrong with him, or this is a ploy of some sort. And on a side note, how does KC not get more trashing for their player development? Year after year we hear about all of this talent in their system, and no one really ever lives up to it. Greinke and Soria are the only ones really. Especially their position players just seem to fall apart. Part of the reason, I think it has been speculated, is that their AA and AAA affiliates have been bandboxes over the last several years. Wichita was a famously hitter-friendly park, and it was inflating statistics and guys were getting hyped up beyond what their abilities were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 So maybe we should move out of BIRM, haha? Actually, if you had AA "padded" stats for players like Allen or Viciedo, Morel or Danks, that were like Albuquerque or Charlotte...well, scouts know to adjust for park factors and not just read stats on the net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 3, 2010 -> 02:42 PM) Moore would ask for Gordon Beckham and work down from there. Sometimes we really overvalue our own players and undervalue others. Beckham will most likely never be as good as A-Gon, but there is value in his team controlled years. Also, if Ryan Howard's getting 25 mil per year, A-Gon's worth 30. There's no way we'd be able to keep him long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 3, 2010 -> 01:46 PM) Yes, giving up on your 23-year old 1st rounder just over 100 PA's into his second season because he's hitting .211 makes perfect sense. For Adrian Gonzalez? If he signs a long term deal with the White Sox? Yeah it does. Glad you agree with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 3, 2010 -> 12:59 PM) So maybe we should move out of BIRM, haha? Actually, if you had AA "padded" stats for players like Allen or Viciedo, Morel or Danks, that were like Albuquerque or Charlotte...well, scouts know to adjust for park factors and not just read stats on the net. Well, it can work both ways. You would think Birmingham would have the same affect on our pitchers as Wichita, North Arkansas, and Omaha might have had on the Royals' hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ May 3, 2010 -> 02:03 PM) For Adrian Gonzalez? If he signs a long term deal with the White Sox? Yeah it does. Glad you agree with me. The idea of Jayson Nix becoming the everyday 2B does not appeal to me. Nor does the idea of committing 25+ million to one player on a team with as many holes as the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxt Posted May 3, 2010 Author Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 3, 2010 -> 07:17 PM) The idea of Jayson Nix becoming the everyday 2B does not appeal to me. Nor does the idea of committing 25+ million to one player on a team with as many holes as the White Sox. And one with supposed budget constraints. Handing A-Gon an extension does little good if you can't fill those othe holes, and, for that matter, lock up your own guys like Johnny Danks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Y'all can say the Royals have screwed around with Gordon all you want, He's had nearly 1400 major league PA's and hasn't shown me flashes of being a top level talent. He looks like a fringe major leaguer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 3, 2010 -> 02:17 PM) The idea of Jayson Nix becoming the everyday 2B does not appeal to me. Nor does the idea of committing 25+ million to one player on a team with as many holes as the White Sox. Eh.. maybe other moves would be made to fill the hole at second base and in other spots. I'm sure they would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Who would you guys take at this point, Brandon Wood or Alex Gordon? Or stay with Teahen? Assuming we could find a large market team to take his contract off our hands...he would be like the Xavier Nady of the Yankees minus the eye-popping offensive numbers. Then again, that jetstream to RCF, maybe he'd put up 18-24 homers in a season batting 9th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxt Posted May 3, 2010 Author Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 3, 2010 -> 07:45 PM) Y'all can say the Royals have screwed around with Gordon all you want, He's had nearly 1400 major league PA's and hasn't shown me flashes of being a top level talent. He looks like a fringe major leaguer. You may be right, but when you can't develop your own prospects and you're tapped out from the standpoint of team paroll, you have to try something. Maybe getting failed prospects is one approach. The Phils gave up on Gavin Floyd and that turned out fairly well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 3, 2010 -> 01:45 PM) Y'all can say the Royals have screwed around with Gordon all you want, He's had nearly 1400 major league PA's and hasn't shown me flashes of being a top level talent. He looks like a fringe major leaguer. Well, I'm just glad your not a scout/good evaluator of talent. I'll leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 3, 2010 -> 02:48 PM) Who would you guys take at this point, Brandon Wood or Alex Gordon? Or stay with Teahen? Assuming we could find a large market team to take his contract off our hands...he would be like the Xavier Nady of the Yankees minus the eye-popping offensive numbers. Then again, that jetstream to RCF, maybe he'd put up 18-24 homers in a season batting 9th? gordon. wood i think is a bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ May 3, 2010 -> 02:48 PM) Eh.. maybe other moves would be made to fill the hole at second base and in other spots. I'm sure they would. Two examples, why putting all the eggs in one basket doesn't make sense 1) Pre-season 2005 asset allocation (or re-allocation)....Ordonez, C-Lee and Valentin out 2) Tearing apart the 2005/06/07 rotation when it became too expensive.....Garcia, Garland and Vazquez, at one point the starters (along w/ Buehrle, Contreras) were making $55 million combined for just five roster spots, obviously too overloaded in one area...look at the results in 2007. A cheap Bobby Jenks made it possible then, but no more...as well as Dotel/Liney. There's just no way with uncertain revenue projectability (.500 clubs mean diminishing attendance) that the White Sox could ever again afford the contract numbers being speculated here for A-Gone. Certainly not with Peavy and Rios on the roster to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Alex Gordon is a big, flat bust. We don't want him. Unless we can trade Teahen for him straight up. My god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ May 3, 2010 -> 02:48 PM) Eh.. maybe other moves would be made to fill the hole at second base and in other spots. I'm sure they would. So you're just going to assume we'd somehow be able to fill the gaping hole at 2B that trading GB would create just because, um, because you're sure they would? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 3, 2010 -> 02:45 PM) Y'all can say the Royals have screwed around with Gordon all you want, He's had nearly 1400 major league PA's and hasn't shown me flashes of being a top level talent. He looks like a fringe major leaguer. You're kidding, right? He's shown plenty of "flashes." That's not the problem. It's overall consistency and staying healthy. Take a good look at the talent in the White Sox organization. You're telling me we shouldn't jump at the chance to get this guy were he to become available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 QUOTE (greg775 @ May 3, 2010 -> 03:03 PM) Alex Gordon is a big, flat bust. We don't want him. Unless we can trade Teahen for him straight up. My god. He's no Scotty Pods. That's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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