MurcieOne Posted July 30, 2003 Author Share Posted July 30, 2003 Stumm is a walking band-aid unfortunately...... but he has pitched this year (pretty avg) outta the pen and thats a good sign. He was a 2nd rd pick I believe and now is atbest a good canidate for a future closer. (Arm has been beatin up) Hate to say it Murcie, but you off on Stumm on two accounts... First, he was a 1st round pick in 1999 (15th overall) Second, he has been outstanding at Winston-Salem this year. They have been very cautious with him and he has only pitched two full innings twice. He has only had one bad outing (his most recent) and he has only given up runs in four of his 17 outings. He gave up 5 runs in his last outing, taking his ERA from 1.89 to 4.12. This is another situation where looking into a player's numbers can give you a different outlook than just by looking at the numbers alone. The Sox are being very careful to protect their investment with him. I have heard reports that he is the real deal and the only question about him is whether he can stay healthy. It is not out of the question the Sox make him a starter again, after a complete healthy season. Yes, Stumm has had setbacks early on, but the door is far from closed with him. Yeah LDF pointed out him being a 1st rounder....... earlier. And eventhough his ERA has been inflated by 1 bad outing.... I still dont see him becoming a starter again....he has shown that even with a small load of work... he gets injured. I think he can be a solid reliever... but starting just doesnt seem possible to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 I pray to god that Reed Honel and Cotts all bypass AAA......Charlotte is the place where all good prospects go to die. I just hope Arnie Munoz gets his act together.....cause he's shud be a deadly pitcher for the sox. he is overworked and needed a place to pitch. i think it is a shoo in that munoz is going to make it, it is a question of time. Munoz is fine. His numbers since April 15 are 3-2 with 3 saves and a 4.04 ERA. He's given up 31 hits in 35.2 innings and has walked 18 while striking out 39. The guy just turned 21 last month. Don't let 3 bad outings in the first 2 weeks of the season cloud what he has accomplished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Stumm is a walking band-aid unfortunately...... but he has pitched this year (pretty avg) outta the pen and thats a good sign. He was a 2nd rd pick I believe and now is atbest a good canidate for a future closer. (Arm has been beatin up) Hate to say it Murcie, but you off on Stumm on two accounts... First, he was a 1st round pick in 1999 (15th overall) Second, he has been outstanding at Winston-Salem this year. They have been very cautious with him and he has only pitched two full innings twice. He has only had one bad outing (his most recent) and he has only given up runs in four of his 17 outings. He gave up 5 runs in his last outing, taking his ERA from 1.89 to 4.12. This is another situation where looking into a player's numbers can give you a different outlook than just by looking at the numbers alone. The Sox are being very careful to protect their investment with him. I have heard reports that he is the real deal and the only question about him is whether he can stay healthy. It is not out of the question the Sox make him a starter again, after a complete healthy season. Yes, Stumm has had setbacks early on, but the door is far from closed with him. and with that can we envision him as what a front line starter or more like a 3,4,5 pitcher. either way, i would be happy if and when he makes it to the bigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 don't get me wrong rex, i am a huge munoz, strumm backer. i just am soooo much concerned about the experimetn or the idea that he is starter material. is he or is he a rp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Stumm is a walking band-aid unfortunately...... but he has pitched this year (pretty avg) outta the pen and thats a good sign. He was a 2nd rd pick I believe and now is atbest a good canidate for a future closer. (Arm has been beatin up) Hate to say it Murcie, but you off on Stumm on two accounts... First, he was a 1st round pick in 1999 (15th overall) Second, he has been outstanding at Winston-Salem this year. They have been very cautious with him and he has only pitched two full innings twice. He has only had one bad outing (his most recent) and he has only given up runs in four of his 17 outings. He gave up 5 runs in his last outing, taking his ERA from 1.89 to 4.12. This is another situation where looking into a player's numbers can give you a different outlook than just by looking at the numbers alone. The Sox are being very careful to protect their investment with him. I have heard reports that he is the real deal and the only question about him is whether he can stay healthy. It is not out of the question the Sox make him a starter again, after a complete healthy season. Yes, Stumm has had setbacks early on, but the door is far from closed with him. Yeah LDF pointed out him being a 1st rounder....... earlier. And eventhough his ERA has been inflated by 1 bad outing.... I still dont see him becoming a starter again....he has shown that even with a small load of work... he gets injured. I think he can be a solid reliever... but starting just doesnt seem possible to me. I'm not saying he will become a starter, but the injuries he has incurred, had nothing to do with too heavy a workload. They were freak injuries to a young pitcher with a great pitcher's body and an incredible arm. They say that now almost 70% of high school drafted pitchers end up having surgery before they reach the Majors. So this is not that uncommon, just unfortunately, he had two surgeries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 don't get me wrong rex, i am a huge munoz, strumm backer. i just am soooo much concerned about the experimetn or the idea that he is starter material. is he or is he a rp Which one, LDF? Munoz or Stumm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 why would the hs player end up on the operating table? that is some huge numbers and i will now think about drafting hs pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 don't get me wrong rex, i am a huge munoz, strumm backer. i just am soooo much concerned about the experimetn or the idea that he is starter material. is he or is he a rp Which one, LDF? Munoz or Stumm? oopps i meant munoz and then i saw your post after. how bout both. can strumm be a starter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 why would the hs player end up on the operating table? that is some huge numbers and i will now think about drafting hs pitchers. I'm not sure what the numbers are for college pitchers, so it is hard to compare. The number was told to me by someone that I believe, believes it to be true. But as with anything that is passed on by word of mouth, it could be off some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 I'm not sure what the numbers are for college pitchers, so it is hard to compare. The number was told to me by someone that I believe, believes it to be true. But as with anything that is passed on by word of mouth, it could be off some. thing is i believe you. i am from the old school where you let the hs pitcher throw only fastballs and let the body develop. let the minors or college level coached teach him the other pitchers. but that is my opinion. too many monday morning coaches who only care about winning that trouphy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 I'm not sure what the numbers are for college pitchers, so it is hard to compare. The number was told to me by someone that I believe, believes it to be true. But as with anything that is passed on by word of mouth, it could be off some. I've come to the conclusion from reading various quotes, articles, etc., that more and more people in baseball are leary of using a high draft pick on a high school pitcher because of the odds of injury. Once they come out of college, they are more developed and less risk of injury because they are closer to being ML ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted July 30, 2003 Author Share Posted July 30, 2003 thing is i believe you. i am from the old school where you let the hs pitcher throw only fastballs and let the body develop. let the minors or college level coached teach him the other pitchers. but that is my opinion. too many monday morning coaches who only care about winning that trouphy. Kerry Wood's HS coach is a prime example of the coach ur speaking of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 don't get me wrong rex, i am a huge munoz, strumm backer. i just am soooo much concerned about the experimetn or the idea that he is starter material. is he or is he a rp Which one, LDF? Munoz or Stumm? oopps i meant munoz and then i saw your post after. how bout both. can strumm be a starter? I'm not sure what the Sox plans are for Stumm and I have never seen him pitch. I can only go by what others have told me. He may stay in the pen, but it would not surprise me to see them try to strech him out next year if he is completely healthy. One thing is for certain about next year...... if he is to be a legit prospect, he will have to have thrown more than 19.2 innings at this point of the year. My guess is that Munoz is best suited as a reliever, more specifically a setup guy. He has never been stretched out to be tried as a starter, so it is hard to say. Last year in Birmingham, he went 3 or 4 innings a few times and held his own quite well. But that is different than being put on a throwing program of a starter. I certainly think he can get to the Majors quicker as a reliever and it seems strange that you would try to make a guy a starter in AAA. I'll chalk this one up to someone thinking aloud and bet that he will remain a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 I've come to the conclusion from reading various quotes, articles, etc., that more and more people in baseball are leary of using a high draft pick on a high school pitcher because of the odds of injury. Once they come out of college, they are more developed and less risk of injury because they are closer to being ML ready. Its funny. It wasn't more than a few years ago that HS pitchers were in demand because college coaches were being accused of abusing pitchers and college pitchers were breaking down more often. Times have changed quickly, haven't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted July 30, 2003 Author Share Posted July 30, 2003 How's Yofu been doin lately Rex.....have they converted him to a Fulltime starter. p.s. why dont u see Munoz as a closer.......JW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 I've come to the conclusion from reading various quotes, articles, etc., that more and more people in baseball are leary of using a high draft pick on a high school pitcher because of the odds of injury. Once they come out of college, they are more developed and less risk of injury because they are closer to being ML ready. not really some coaches are very notorious(sp) for overworking their pitchers. we drafted one of these question mark pitchers and the beauty part was he was shut down b/c of an injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 don't get me wrong rex, i am a huge munoz, strumm backer. i just am soooo much concerned about the experimetn or the idea that he is starter material. is he or is he a rp Which one, LDF? Munoz or Stumm? oopps i meant munoz and then i saw your post after. how bout both. can strumm be a starter? I'm not sure what the Sox plans are for Stumm and I have never seen him pitch. I can only go by what others have told me. He may stay in the pen, but it would not surprise me to see them try to strech him out next year if he is completely healthy. One thing is for certain about next year...... if he is to be a legit prospect, he will have to have thrown more than 19.2 innings at this point of the year. My guess is that Munoz is best suited as a reliever, more specifically a setup guy. He has never been stretched out to be tried as a starter, so it is hard to say. Last year in Birmingham, he went 3 or 4 innings a few times and held his own quite well. But that is different than being put on a throwing program of a starter. I certainly think he can get to the Majors quicker as a reliever and it seems strange that you would try to make a guy a starter in AAA. I'll chalk this one up to someone thinking aloud and bet that he will remain a reliever. wow i agree with you on all counts. but jas needs to get healtier and stronger and get back to where he was before he got hurt. he has the tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 How's Yofu been doin lately Rex.....have they converted him to a Fulltime starter. p.s. why dont u see Munoz as a closer.......JW Yes, Yofu is now a starter and has been for awhile. He has pitched well overall, with a few so-so games mixed in. He never gets shelled, but he did get hit pretty hard his last outing. I think Yofu could be a solid middle inning reliever in the Majors, but due to his age, his window of opportunity will be very short. I just see Munoz as a setup guy because of a lack of a blazing fastball that most closers have and based on the fact that he has never been used that way on a regular basis. I wouldn't rule it out for him eventually, but that is not where he will start his MLB career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Just like in any sport, the top line athletes are going to go to colleges that have a good track record of developing talent that has success in the majors. So, the ones that abuse pitchers will soon be begging for quality recruits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 W- L- S ERA GP IP H AB AVG TBF R ER HR BB SO WP BK TOTALS 7- 6- 2 3.62 23 97.0 87 358 .243 403 40 39 8 28 79 6 2 Yofu's numbers.... Solid, yet not spetacular. He really should be in AAA right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 rex many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 rex many thanks. My pleasure, LDF. I'm off to bed..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 My pleasure, LDF. I'm off to bed..... same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 I pray to god that Reed Honel and Cotts all bypass AAA......Charlotte is the place where all good prospects go to die. I just hope Arnie Munoz gets his act together.....cause he's shud be a deadly pitcher for the sox. he is overworked and needed a place to pitch. i think it is a shoo in that munoz is going to make it, it is a question of time. You make a great point about him getting overworked. he pitched a good 100 innings between Birmingham's season....Postseason and winter ball. They were actually talking about making him a starter this year...... Me thinks his arm is a little to weak to do so. Gotta like his Zito-esque curve though.... closer next year???? Can you imagine him working with Flash and really learning the art of pitching with the big curve, wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Regarding Stumm, the next big decision on him is whether to put him on the 40 man roster this off season, otherwise someone will pick him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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