NBA Offseason Thread

[WHarris1]

I would bet just about anything the Bulls will be a top 4 team in the east.

 

Probably top 3

Edited July 14, 2010 by WHarris1

[Buehrle>Wood]

At the end of the day the Heat still have 3 better players better than the Bulls best.

[T R U]

I never said the Bulls weren't good.. I said they aren't good enough to go toe to toe with ANY team in the league..

[bmags]

well, I mean, the timing is just what sucks. Compared to the offseason where we added ben wallace and we were like omg nba finals, this has been way more productive. And from a team standpoint, we took the weaknesses (no 3 pt. shooters to spread the floor, no post scoring) and really, really improved them. Our defense at guard took a serious hit, however. And it's pretty legitimate to say that rose, noah and gibson should improve, they have a lot of talent and have improved so much already.

 

unfortunately with the timing, it's all for naught, as the NBA allowed itself to become a 13 year old kid picking rosters on an xbox.

[thxfrthmmrs]

I haven't watch Q Rich play in a while, but I will go out on a limp and say he is a better defender than both Korver and Reddick. The dude is a very good three point shooter, he's got the size that Reddick doesn't have and he is definitely more athletic and probably a better defender than both of them. He will be a better starting 2 guard than either Korver or Reddick.

 

AND the dude only signs for 3 years $7.5 mil, only half of what Korver makes, and really make the Reddick offer seem outrageous, and a guy like Morrow costed 3 years and $12 mil also. I know we got cap space and all, but I rather look for bargains and save some of those money to make a run in free agency next offseason, or acquire a big name at the trade deadline when some teams are out of it.

 

I mean other than the lucky Derrick Rose pick, the franchise hasn't really done much to impress me the past decade or so, I think it's time for some change in the management already.

Edited July 14, 2010 by thxfrthmmrs

[fathom]

Q. Richardson is terrible now. He shoots a ton of 3 pointers, and does nothing else. I'd rather have Korver/Redick.

[SoxAce]

I'm seeing a lot of Livingston love around here. I'm assuming he played pretty well last year after completely destroying his knee?

 

He played well the last 10 games or so for the Wizards. Signing him though would be a major risk, considering this season will be his full first in about 3-4 years. I caught a couple of games he played last season, and the explosion just isn't there for him anymore. He is tentative still going to the basket as I'm sure in the back of his mind he doesn't want his knee giving out again (though at spurts he will surprise with what he still has and at other spurts, he will ole' an assignment just to protect his knee), which would probably end his career and never had a 3 point shot (which I don't like that fit behind Rose or when Derrick and him play together cause of his length which will happen) and isn't very strong nor as fast guarding quicker PG and stronger SG. With all that said though, he is an excellent passer, excellent court vision (better than Rose) and can break down a defense with his superior ball handling and as a very high basketball I.Q. Sad to see the bad luck he's had though. He could of been one of the most interesting PG to follow in the game now with all his potential. (still has it, but more-so needs to get by with craftiness ala Nash) He is definitely worth the vet minimum though. Paying him say.. Kyle Korver money wouldn't be wise unless it was for a short term deal. (1.. 2 years tops) I might prefer a guy like C.J. Watson, maybe Keyon Dooling (though that is if worse comes to worst, or if the Bulls prefer a veteran backup), but Livingston might be the better fit. I just hope Rose doesn't get too burned out played 38+ minutes a night or I hope Shaun really is back capable of playing at least 13-15 minutes a night.

[SoxFan1]

He played well the last 10 games or so for the Wizards. Signing him though would be a major risk, considering this season will be his full first in about 3-4 years. I caught a couple of games he played last season, and the explosion just isn't there for him anymore. He is tentative still going to the basket as I'm sure in the back of his mind he doesn't want his knee giving out again (though at spurts he will surprise with what he still has and at other spurts, he will ole' an assignment just to protect his knee), which would probably end his career and never had a 3 point shot (which I don't like that fit behind Rose or when Derrick and him play together cause of his length which will happen) and isn't very strong nor as fast guarding quicker PG and stronger SG. With all that said though, he is an excellent passer, excellent court vision (better than Rose) and can break down a defense with his superior ball handling and as a very high basketball I.Q. Sad to see the bad luck he's had though. He could of been one of the most interesting PG to follow in the game now with all his potential. (still has it, but more-so needs to get by with craftiness ala Nash) He is definitely worth the vet minimum though. Paying him say.. Kyle Korver money wouldn't be wise unless it was for a short term deal. (1.. 2 years tops) I might prefer a guy like C.J. Watson, maybe Keyon Dooling (though that is if worse comes to worst, or if the Bulls prefer a veteran backup), but Livingston might be the better fit. I just hope Rose doesn't get too burned out played 38+ minutes a night or I hope Shaun really is back capable of playing at least 13-15 minutes a night.

From March 13th on, he was averaging almost 30 minutes a game. I think he's more than capable of that especially with another summer full of rehab and workouts. And he's from Illinois. I think the Bulls could easily get him for under 2 mil a year.

[SoxAce]

From March 13th on, he was averaging almost 30 minutes a game. I think he's more than capable of that especially with another summer full of rehab and workouts. And he's from Illinois. I think the Bulls could easily get him for under 2 mil a year.

 

From March 13th till about mid March, he only played 25+ minutes four times UNTIL the last 10 games or so like I said where he was having 34, 36, 37, 39, 37, 37, 41, etc.. minute nights (pretty much every night). That is one of the main reasons I caught a couple games from him. He is from Peoria.

 

You are correct though, that does hold some weight from him as a backup since he isn't playing on a terrible Wizards team, nor won't be the starter (still though 36 games, 22 minutes per is still a risk). But I hope he can at least be adequate defensively. I would no doubt, love to see him sign here.

 

BTW, I still won't jump the gun on netting Redick as some posters here have. I still think the Magic owner will ridiculously match it.

Edited July 14, 2010 by SoxAce

[JorgeFabregas]

Q. Richardson is terrible now. He shoots a ton of 3 pointers, and does nothing else. I'd rather have Korver/Redick.

Dude said he hadn't seen him and was going out on a limp.

 

Don't limp, man. Walk proud.

[Quin]

According to Wikipedia, Asik will wear #12.

 

I don't like giving out Kirk's number so soon .

 

Edit: The Grizzlies are offering Henry somewhere between 100%-80% of the rookie scale slot, not the 120% that is usually given.

 

Swap Henry for the Bobcats first rounder + the Suns 2nd rounder next year? I can dream, can't I?

 

Double Edit: Henry's agent is Arn Tellem, who by all accounts probably loves working with JR (Rose, Albert Belle, Ben Wallace deal)

Edited July 14, 2010 by Quinarvy

[Balta1701]

KC Reports that the deal for Asik is 3 years, $4 million.

[Balta1701]

5 years, $34 million for Al Harrington to join the Nuggets. yeesh.

 

Maybe teams are writing these deals thinking that the CBA will make it so that they can opt out of the last couple years.

[whitesoxfan101]

At the end of the day the Heat still have 3 better players better than the Bulls best.

 

Chris Bosh is not better than Derrick Rose (although the Heat are clearly better than the Bulls).

 

5 years, $34 million for Al Harrington to join the Nuggets. yeesh.

 

Maybe teams are writing these deals thinking that the CBA will make it so that they can opt out of the last couple years.

 

Maybe the bad deals will be super mega valuable when they are expiring deals under the new CBA? At any rate a lockout seems pretty certain, especially if the NBA stands by it's demands for a hard cap and big first year salary rollbacks.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont...?urn=nba,255726

[Balta1701]

Chris Bosh is not better than Derrick Rose (although the Heat are clearly better than the Bulls).

At least last year...Chris Bosh was substantially better than Derrick Rose. That could change this year.

[whitesoxfan101]

At least last year...Chris Bosh was substantially better than Derrick Rose. That could change this year.

 

It will. And if it doesn't change soon, the Bulls are even more screwed than we thought. Because if Derrick Rose isn't better long term than Chris Bosh, this team is REALLY far away.

Edited July 14, 2010 by whitesoxfan101

[Balta1701]

It will. And if it doesn't change soon, the Bulls are even more screwed than we thought. Because if Derrick Rose isn't better long term than Chris Bosh, this team is REALLY far away.

Bah, I think the whole league is screwed so it doesn't matter, but yes, DR1 needs to be better than Bosh for the Bulls to be a conference finals contender.

[whitesoxfan101]

Bah, I think the whole league is screwed so it doesn't matter, but yes, DR1 needs to be better than Bosh for the Bulls to be a conference finals contender.

 

Well maybe you're right about the whole league, but the Bulls are especially screwed if Rose can't even be beter than Bosh. At least if Rose turns out to reach his full potential, the Bulls can be in one of the nicer cells in basketball jail. If not, they're only a small step about solitary confinement.

[bmags]

At least last year...Chris Bosh was substantially better than Derrick Rose. That could change this year.

 

yeah, i don't know, i don't think the advance stats handle point guards well. Frankly, i don't think it's coincidence that nash has been a part of some of the most offensively efficient teams in the league. I think he's better than bosh and makes a bunch of other players better. I think if Rose cuts down on the turnovers and increases his efficiency, he'll be better than bosh even if the numbers don't show it. When a pg is the main offense provider on the team I don't think the stats really do them justice.

[whitesoxfan101]

Advanced stats are questionable at best in sports outside of baseball. Heck, even the baseball ones aren't perfect (although they are quite good overall).

[Felix]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont...?urn=nba,255726

That article is moronic. Darko's contract isn't bad at all, especially in comparison to the other awful deals given out this offseason.

[whitesoxfan101]

That article is moronic. Darko's contract isn't bad at all, especially in comparison to the other awful deals given out this offseason.

 

Two separate points there. His contract isn't as bad when compared to other ones this offseason, and in fact could be defended as one of the "better" deals of the summer. But it's still bad.

Edited July 14, 2010 by whitesoxfan101

[Felix]

Two separate points there. His contract isn't as bad when compared to other ones this offseason, and in fact could be defended as one of the "better" deals of the summer. But it's still bad.

I linked to this like 30 pages ago, but no one probably read it because no one wants to realize that Darko isn't actually awful (and neither is his deal). Centers with comparable ages, PER and contracts:

Krstic is on a 3yr, $15.8 mil contract.

Zaza is on a 4yr, $19 mil contract.

Biedrins is on a 6yr, $62 mil contract

Ty is on a 6yr, $64 mil contract

Hollins is on a 3yr, $7 mil contract.

Remind me again how his deal is bad?

 

Courtesy of CanisHoopus.

 

There were no other options at center available, so we picked up Darko for market value. He's a 7 footer with decent defense that's still just 25. There's nothing at all wrong with that contract, and I'm getting tired of people bashing it just because Darko is forever associated with being a bust.

Edited July 14, 2010 by Felix

[whitesoxfan101]

I linked to this like 30 pages ago, but no one probably read it because no one wants to realize that Darko isn't actually awful. Centers with comparable ages, PER and contracts:

Krstic is on a 3yr, $15.8 mil contract.

Zaza is on a 4yr, $19 mil contract.

Biedrins is on a 6yr, $62 mil contract

Ty is on a 6yr, $64 mil contract

Hollins is on a 3yr, $7 mil contract.

Remind me again how his deal is bad?

 

Courtesy of CanisHoopus.

 

So it's not a bad contract because a bunch of other mediocre centers are getting rich too? I guess by that logic, none of the rich contracts to mediocre players this summer are bad since so many of them are being dished out.

Edited July 14, 2010 by whitesoxfan101

[Chisoxfn]

Bulls need to sign Livingston, Brewer, and Miller and call it an off-season, would make them incredibly deep and if they want to make a move next season should have plenty of tradeable assets.

That is if we get Reddick (who most people still believe is going to end up back in Orland). I also think Raja Bell would be a good fit.