ZoomSlowik Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 12:56 PM) It's not, but I think 20 wins a year with players even less marketable than the guys they got is worse. And I'm not sure they're 30-35 wins bad. How much worse can their situation get? At least you can sell them on hope when you get that high draft pick and your payroll would be lower. And yes, that roster is 30-35 wins bad, especially in the west. Jarrett Jack at the point is a recipe for disaster and they'd have no depth. There are at least 6 teams in the west that are significantly better than them, as well as a handful of teams that probably are like Denver (depends on how FA pans out), the Clippers, Phoenix if they keep Nash, and Golden State (bad D, but Curry, Ellis and Lee are all arguably better than anyone on that New Orleans team). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 01:05 PM) Don't know if you have seen yet, but it was actually Houston. Houston was tampering with Howard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 12:12 PM) Brandon Roy is reportedly retiring. And yet somehow a ref just called a foul on Illinois. (sorry, old, but still bitter college bball rant) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 01:11 PM) Houston was tampering with Howard? Apparently so, http://newyork.sbnation.com/new-jersey-net...houston-rocjets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 CBSsports.com 1:46 p.m. -- Ken Berger reports that the Rockets will not be investigated as originally reportd by SI.com. Magic are still considering a complaint against New Jersey. SI.com says that the Magic decided not to pursue a complaint against Houston due to a lack of "information." SI also says the Rockets have been informed they were not "considered" for the complaint. Confusing. Good thing, though. The Rockets have enough going on with the Chris Paul debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 01:11 PM) And yet somehow a ref just called a foul on Illinois. (sorry, old, but still bitter college bball rant) Lol, yeah f*** that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 9, 2011 Author Share Posted December 9, 2011 MINI.KEVIN.LOVE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippedoutpunk Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 The Nets are close to acquiring Nene, according to a source. Adrian Wojnarowski reports the Nets will offer Nene a four-year deal worth between $60 million and $65 million. It’s unclear if signing Nene would take the Nets out of the running for Dwight Howard. After the team missed out on Tyson Chandler, they increased their offer for Nene. The Pacers, Rockets, Warriors and Nuggets have also been in on Nene talks. Via Stefan Bondy/New York Daily News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I've always liked Nene but that is a lot of cash for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 http://www.ibj.com/the-score/2011/12/09/nb...RAMS/post/31303 If the new NBA collective bargaining agreement was all about competitive balance, by all appearances it’s been an abject failure. The owners could have taken one simple step to significantly level the playing field all 30 NBA teams play on. But once again, players’ rights won out over what’s best for the whole of the league and more importantly for NBA fans nationwide. Just days after a new agreement between NBA players and owners was announced, Chris Paul is holding the New Orleans Hornets hostage and Dwight Howard is doing likewise in Orlando. It’s gotten so ridiculous that Paul and Howard are not only demanding trades, but have submitted a list of which select few teams they’ll play for. This is how the game works: A player with one year left on his contract says he will not re-sign with his team and demands to be traded. Teams are apt to comply because if they trade the player a year before his contract expires they might get something in return. If they let his contract expire, the way Cleveland did with LeBron James, they get nothing and suffer an unsightly implosion when the player bolts for seemingly greener pastures. The whole orchestration of the Miami Heat trio smelled bad to NBA fans. The deal that sent Carmelo Anthony to New York last year stank even worse, and the stench is rising once again. Of course, the NBA has long been a league ruled by star players. Who doesn’t remember Magic Johnson getting Paul Westhead fired as the L.A. Lakers head coach in the 1980s? Penny Hardaway got Brian Hill booted out of Orlando 1997. Those aren’t isolated incidents. It’s easy to say it’s a free market and it’s all about the money for these players. The new collective bargaining agreement—at least to some degree—addressed that. New Orleans could pay Paul about $40 million more over the long-term than any other team in the league. Still, Paul wants to play with his friends in a big market, and with the current system he has all the power to do that. Thursday night, NBA Commissioner David Stern stepped in and stopped a trade that would have sent Paul—one of the league’s best point guards—to the Los Angeles Lakers. Stern had the right to do that because the Hornets are currently owned by the league. He only did so after hearing a plea from several owners who said it reinforced the big-market bias. But many today are asking what the end game is. What does Stern hope to accomplish long term? Eventually, whether it’s this year or next year, under the current system Paul will move to L.A. or New York. New Orleans may or may not get anything in return. Either way, the Hornets will be worse off. All of these gyrations certainly don’t bode well for efforts by the Indiana Pacers—or any other small- or mid-market teams—to significantly improve through the free agent market. Instead of pursuing the types of players who can win championships and push fans through the turnstiles, the Pacers are forced to pursue players like George Hill and Nene. Solid players for sure, but not the kinds of guys who fill seats night in and night out. The NBA could solve the problem by adopting the franchise tag system used by the NFL. The franchise tag is a designation a team may apply to a player scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent. The tag binds the player to the team for one year if certain conditions are met. Each team may only designate one player each year as a franchise player. An exclusive franchise player in the NFL must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player’s position, or 120 percent of the player’s salary in the previous year, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams. NBA players need to reign in their wanderlust and stop scheming to play where the lights are brightest and where their posse is gathering. Instead they need to put down roots and play for the team that drafted them and in front of the fans who love them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Melo to the knicks did not stink worse than lebron/bosh to miami. NYK had collected assets for a long time for moments like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 9, 2011 Author Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) Melo to the knicks did not stink worse than lebron/bosh to miami. NYK had collected assets for a long time for moments like that. Melo to the Knicks was pretty fair, actually, given the circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Melo to the knicks did not stink worse than lebron/bosh to miami. NYK had collected assets for a long time for moments like that. The Nuggets actually got better without Carmelo Anthony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 The NBA players would never have agreed to a franchise tag, and you can't use that in perpetuity anyways. Plus they had these guys for 6 or 7 years anyways. Why don't we just bring back the reserve clause while we're at it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 9, 2011 Author Share Posted December 9, 2011 KCJHoop K.C Johnson DRose's extension will be closer to $90 million than $100 million. Still will raise tax concerns, particularly with Asik and Taj RFAs. Supposedly Derrick Rose won't even demand the maximum allowed salary? God, I love that kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 9, 2011 Author Share Posted December 9, 2011 CP3 shows up for Hornet's Camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 03:31 PM) KCJHoop K.C Johnson DRose's extension will be closer to $90 million than $100 million. Still will raise tax concerns, particularly with Asik and Taj RFAs. Supposedly Derrick Rose won't even demand the maximum allowed salary? God, I love that kid. I'd rather his get on the phone and start begging Dwight Howard to come here, but I'll take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 KCJHoop K.C Johnson DRose's extension will be closer to $90 million than $100 million. Still will raise tax concerns, particularly with Asik and Taj RFAs. Supposedly Derrick Rose won't even demand the maximum allowed salary? God, I love that kid. So they make a Derrick Rose rule. Derrick Rose laughs about it and says its cool that they named a rule after him (which implies he'll excerise it, which he totally should because he totally deserves it). But when it comes time to get paid he ignores the rule and takes less. I wanna bake him a f***ing cake right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 9, 2011 Author Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 03:37 PM) I'd rather his get on the phone and start begging Dwight Howard to come here, but I'll take it. I'd take both, but whatever. If the Bulls announced right now Jason Richardson had signed for the max MLE, I'd be rather confident in this season regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 ESPN put a Simmons article where he flagrantly drops an F-bomb right on the front page. I kinda like that, even if I totally disagree with Bill Simmons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Arenas is dumped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 9, 2011 Author Share Posted December 9, 2011 KCJHoop K.C Johnson According to source, #Bulls just pulled Keith Bogans off the practice floor. Story soon at chicagotribune.com. Yeah.... we're not picking up your $1.7 million option, bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 03:48 PM) KCJHoop K.C Johnson According to source, #Bulls just pulled Keith Bogans off the practice floor. Story soon at chicagotribune.com. Yeah.... we're not picking up your $1.7 million option, bro. Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 bogans for howard??? totally kidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Ya, so one of my friends wrote this article. Good kid but he's one of the worst writers I've ever seen and he has a complete lack of sports knowledge, enjoy and please leave comments on how big of a moron he is: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-10640141 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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