NBA Offseason Thread

[Chisoxfn]

twithersAP Reports of a sign-and-trade agreement with Raptors and Cavs for Bosh very premature. Nothing on table. No players discussed.

[fathom]

Best thing that could happen to Bulls is Bosh going to Cleveland. It's only chance they have to get Wade. Deng's contract is being used as the scapegoat by a lot of Chicago media right now, as it's being blamed for not being able to land Wade and Bosh with max deals.

[thxfrthmmrs]

i really think the key here is bosh, if we somehow signs Bosh first, that will give us the best chance to land wade or Lebron. Lebron or Wade returning to their former teams will not have a better cast than Bosh with the Bulls roster. if either of them are focused on winning, they would fight for the spot to sign with the bulls

[HuskyCaucasian]

@ArtGarcia_NBA - Blazers, Knicks, Heat, Bulls among teams interested in Roger Mason (@MoneyMase). Spurs aren't. http://bit.ly/aAfnuw

[whitesoxfan101]

Best thing that could happen to Bulls is Bosh going to Cleveland. It's only chance they have to get Wade. Deng's contract is being used as the scapegoat by a lot of Chicago media right now, as it's being blamed for not being able to land Wade and Bosh with max deals.

 

Agreed on point 1. I think the Chicago media is a bit misguided with point 2 though.

[scenario]

Best thing that could happen to Bulls is Bosh going to Cleveland. It's only chance they have to get Wade. Deng's contract is being used as the scapegoat by a lot of Chicago media right now, as it's being blamed for not being able to land Wade and Bosh with max deals.

 

Of course, it was only a couple of years ago most of the Chicago media thought the Bulls would be stupid to include Deng in a trade for either Kobe or Gasol.

 

It's always easier to be a sportswriter/critic when you have a short memory and no accountability for what you said earlier.

Edited July 6, 2010 by scenario

[chw42]

max contracts are different for everybody. I believe it's 105% of their last contract.

 

In Boozer's case, it would be around $75mil/ 5 years or $93mil/6 year if he resigns with Jazz

 

He's been in the league for more than 7 years. He can get 30% of the cap on a max.

[Jordan4life_2007]

twithersAP Reports of a sign-and-trade agreement with Raptors and Cavs for Bosh very premature. Nothing on table. No players discussed.

 

Yup. Just read that at Realgm. And didn't Broussard say Carmelo told Amare he wanted to join him in NY next year? Now we're hearing Carmelo is close to signing the extension the Nuggets offered. lol. This is so pathetic. And we're part of the problem.

[whitesoxfan101]

I think the Bulls not trading Deng for Gasol was more because Uncle Jerry didn't think Gasol was worth going into the luxury tax for. And considering the Bulls didn't have Rose yet at the time and Gasol had the playoff resume he had with the Grizzlies, I can see why he thought that. You're right about the media not wanting to trade Deng for Kobe though, goofs (and if they didn't want to trade Deng for Gasol, they certainly wouldn't have wanted to trade him for Kobe). I wonder how close either of those trades ever were to happening.

Edited July 6, 2010 by whitesoxfan101

[Jenksismyhero]

I think the Bulls not trading Deng for Gasol was more because Uncle Jerry didn't think Gasol was worth going into the luxury tax for. And considering the Bulls didn't have Rose yet at the time and Gasol had the playoff resume he had with the Grizzlies, I can see why he thought that. You're right about the media not wanting to trade Deng for Kobe though, goofs (and if they didn't want to trade Deng for Gasol, they certainly wouldn't have wanted to trade him for Kobe). I wonder how close either of those trades ever were to happening.

 

i thought it was Kobe who said he wouldn't come to Chicago unless Deng remained on the team?

[HuskyCaucasian]

i thought it was Kobe who said he wouldn't come to Chicago unless Deng remained on the team?

I remember that as well. The Bulls WANTED to include him in the deal.

[thxfrthmmrs]

He's been in the league for more than 7 years. He can get 30% of the cap on a max.

 

either way, he is not amare, he is older and is an inferior player to amare. A team would be crazy to hand out 30% of the cap to him. 5 year $80 mil- $85 mil is what he is worth

 

[chw42]

I think Kobe was just making up lame excuses, lol.

 

Who wants to play with Luol Deng?

Edited July 6, 2010 by chw42

[whitesoxfan101]

I remember that as well. The Bulls WANTED to include him in the deal.

 

That is correct, it's the media here who didn't want him included, which was crazy. The thing I always heard is the Bulls wanted to include Deng in the deal, but Kobe was worried that if he was included, the Bulls roster around him wouldn't be good enough.

[Steve9347]

I really wish I could just take over Pax's brain for a moment.

 

At this point, you need to take some initiative. Joakim Noah is a solid piece. He's funny, he wears bow-ties.

 

He's no reason to pass on trading for Chris Bosh. You call up and you send Noah and Deng or picks or whatever makes contracts work and get back what you can get back to land Bosh.

 

Ok, so Bosh is in tow. This now makes Miami way less attractive for Wade, and takes a potential big player off for Cleveland. Go out and get yourself a Brendan Haywood (free agent) to take over what you've lost in Noah.

 

Now call up LeBron and Wade, hell, make it a conference call. "Whoever accepts our offer first, gets it." Make them compete for you with a roster that is hot to trot. Then you bring in a gunner after you have one of them and you laugh your way to 4 straight championships.

 

That's if Steve took over Pax's brain today.

Edited July 6, 2010 by Steve9347

[G&T]

i really think the key here is bosh, if we somehow signs Bosh first, that will give us the best chance to land wade or Lebron. Lebron or Wade returning to their former teams will not have a better cast than Bosh with the Bulls roster. if either of them are focused on winning, they would fight for the spot to sign with the bulls

 

I don't think Bosh is going anywhere without a S&T. He wants his money more than anything. And as I said before, Wade and LeBron are not about to play on a team where Bosh is making more than them. So they are going to put the onus on him to decide where to go which is why it currently appears that both will stay in their respective cities. If he goes to Miami, then LeBron might reconsider Chicago, and if it's Cleveland, then Wade probably come to Chi.

 

The problem is that none of the teams involved have a blow away offer to make the Raptors. As a result, it's another party added to the negotiations and the whole process takes longer.

 

 

[chw42]

either way, he is not amare, he is older and is an inferior player to amare. A team would be crazy to hand out 30% of the cap to him. 5 year $80 mil- $85 mil is what he is worth

 

 

Boozer is one year older. Both are injury prone as hell, but their production, when healthy, has been pretty similar. Amar'e's the bigger name, but he's not much better, if better at all.

 

Toronto was crazy enough to give Amir Johnson $34 million. Anything can happen. If a team signs Boozer for a lot of money, it's probably more about trying to recruit a bigger fish. In that case, they will overpay.

[whitesoxfan101]

I really wish I could just take over Pax's brain for a moment.

 

At this point, you need to take some initiative. Joakim Noah is a solid piece. He's funny, he wears bow-ties.

 

He's no reason to pass on trading for Chris Bosh. You call up and you send Noah and Deng or picks or whatever makes contracts work and get back what you can get back to land Bosh.

 

Ok, so Bosh is in tow. This now makes Miami way less attractive for Wade, and takes a potential big player off for Cleveland. Go out and get yourself a Brendan Haywood (free agent) to take over what you've lost in Noah.

 

Now call up LeBron and Wade, hell, make it a conference call. "Whoever accepts our offer first, gets it." Make them compete for you with a roster that is hot to trot. Then you bring in a gunner after you have one of them and you laugh your way to 4 straight championships.

 

That's if Steve took over Pax's brain today.

 

The thought here isn't bad. Problem is, a Bosh S&T without Deng involved means the Bulls can't offer Wade or Lebron a max.

[chw42]

The thought here isn't bad. Problem is, a Bosh S&T without Deng involved means the Bulls can't offer Wade or Lebron a max.

 

Doesn't Hedo make less money than Deng?

[Steve9347]

Doesn't Hedo make less money than Deng?

Yeah, the idea being Hedo comes back. I didn't do the salary figures, but you can work it out if Toronto gets Noah and thus Collangelo can claim "win".

[chw42]

Yeah, the idea being Hedo comes back. I didn't do the salary figures, but you can work it out if Toronto gets Noah and thus Collangelo can claim "win".

 

Noah + Deng for Turkoglu and Bosh.

 

Bosh gets that extra $30 million later on. His salary this year would be the normal max, or $30% of the cap ($17.1 million). Turkoglu made $9 million last year and I think that he should make a similar figure this year. So you save $2 million from Deng. Noah makes $2.5 million. So you take about $4.5 million off your remaining cap. That should be enough for Wade.

Edited July 6, 2010 by chw42

[chw42]

We're going to have a lot of luxury tax if this is the case...

[whitesoxfan101]

Noah + Deng for Turkoglu and Bosh.

 

Bosh gets that extra $30 million later on. His salary this year would be the normal max, or $30% of the cap ($17.1 million). Turkoglu made $9 million last year and I think that he should make a similar figure this year. So you save $2 million from Deng. Noah makes $2.5 million. So you take about $4.5 million off your remaining cap. That should be enough for Wade.

 

Hmm interesting. If this is all true though, you'd think the Bulls have already made this offer though.

[Chisoxfn]

Bahaha, this latest sendlebrontochicago tweet is just bad.

LeBron to Chicago LeBrontoChicago @chrisbosh LeBron+Bosh+crap will not beat the lakers.

 

Sorry, but Lebron and Bosh in Cleveland is good enough to win a title team. Lets not forget that they were the best team in the regular season the past 2 years without a guy like Bosh. Putting Bosh on the Cavs with Lebron would instantly make them legit and it would also probably force Wade's hand and send him to Chicago where he would team up with Boozer or Lee.

[Steve9347]

Hmm interesting. If this is all true though, you'd think the Bulls have already made this offer though.

That's the problem. They haven't. The Raps would probably accept that bad b**** given their mad trade exception and a pick we could toss in. This would also leave us flexibility to possibly add Haywood/Ray Allen and laugh our asses off.