SoxFan1 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 As of noon ET today, no takers on Beasley. http://proxy.espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...f-beasley-trade But a possible 4-way could be in the works? I don't get why any team in the NBA would be willing to help them out right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 Depends on how you look at it. Mine's on page 96, but I do 50 per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 12:30 PM) But he should get better having a low post player around him. Hes' a relatively efficient scorer coming off his best season. The key to Deng is health. He isn't an all star, but he's an above average player and an asset. Especially now that he's extended his range and appears capable of being a decent 3 point shooter. If Luol continues to improve that aspect of his game he should be quite valuable (albeit a little overpaid in my eyes). He's really not that efficient a scorer, he needs 14 shots to reach the high teens in scoring. He has peaked as an 18 PPG scorer even as the #1 or #2 option on the Bulls. He doesn't hit many 3's and has never gotten to the line 5 times per game. Adding a post player or a guy that will be a major part of the pick and roll game will likely reduce his touches. I would imagine he would drop to something like a 13-14 PPG scorer on 10 or 11 shots on a better team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 A lot of these smokescreens stuff could be front offices trying to sell season tickets. We saw when it was leaked that the Bulls were the favorites for LeBron they sold like 2,000 full-season tickets. Could Miami be doing the same? They know they don't make that much money (compared to others' as an organization, don't believe they are in the top ten) and will need all the full-season tickets they can when they inevitably go over the cap in a year or two. That being said, I still like LeBron to them, but I wouldn't put it past these FOs as a business maneuver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 01:11 PM) He's really not that efficient a scorer, he needs 14 shots to reach the high teens in scoring. He has peaked as an 18 PPG scorer even as the #1 or #2 option on the Bulls. He doesn't hit many 3's and has never gotten to the line 5 times per game. Adding a post player or a guy that will be a major part of the pick and roll game will likely reduce his touches. I would imagine he would drop to something like a 13-14 PPG scorer on 10 or 11 shots on a better team. Like Jason said, Deng isn't an all-star but he is still very capable of playing at a near-all-star level. He plays solid defense. And is a deadly open shooter. The people who hate Deng are right to dislike his contract, his unwillingness to play injured and his injury proneness. But when he is healthy, he is a great player to have. I have always thought he is a perfect third option for a team, and now, he finally is. He will only be helped by the added shooting the Bulls will get this FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 WojYahooNBA Y! Sources: Chris Paul leaves Octagon and will join LeBron James' marketing company, LRMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Ahh so Chris Paul is going to Miami now too. Great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 WojYahooNBA Y! Sources: Chris Paul leaves Octagon and will join LeBron James' marketing company, LRMR. Chris Paul and LeBron to Cleveland? This is one of the few ways LBJ can salvage his image out of this hour long ego stroke tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 12:14 PM) Um, what? That isn't remotely true. Bosh has put up a PER north of 22 for five straight seasons (a total Boozer has only reached once) while averaging at least 22-9 every year during that stretch. As for the Toronto part, have you looked at their roster? They're playing a small forward at center, of course their defense sucks. Put him on a team that doesn't have a lot of soft, jump-shooting European players and their defense would improve. PER is nice advanced stats, but it's not what separates a good player from a bad player. Marrese Speights had a PER of close to 20 in his rookie year, does that mean he is the rookie of the year over Rose? Kobe's PER is always far from Lebron's, why do people argue Kobe over Lebron? You can't compare two players base on their stats and PER. Stats don't measure intangibles. Yes, Deng and Beasley have similar numbers, but 95% people will tell you they will rather have Deng over Beasley. the Magic had a great defensive team over the past two seasons, and the guys like Lewis, Carter, Nelson, Turkolu aren't remotely close to being great defensive players. It was all due to Howard's inside presence. Bosh was surrounded by subpar defensive players, but it's no excuse to finish last in the league in defensive efficiency. If you have watched any of the Raptors game, he is not physical defender, not a good help defender, nor does he block shots. He is not a good defender. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 the cleveland cavaliers are the same as lebrons marketing company? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Actually, the Paul thing might mean nothing, he and LeBron are good friends. But then again, it could mean something. (How's that for quality insight?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 01:17 PM) Like Jason said, Deng isn't an all-star but he is still very capable of playing at a near-all-star level. He plays solid defense. And is a deadly open shooter. The people who hate Deng are right to dislike his contract, his unwillingness to play injured and his injury proneness. But when he is healthy, he is a great player to have. I have always thought he is a perfect third option for a team, and now, he finally is. He will only be helped by the added shooting the Bulls will get this FA. He's really not an All-Star or close to it. He's a slightly above average SF that isn't quick enough to take people off the dribble and not a good enough shooter to hit 3's. What he can do is finish at the rim when he does get chances in that area, move well off the ball and shoot mid-range jumpers at a decent clip. On a team with other good players that can shoot, he's an asset, on a team with other guys that can't hit the 3's like Rose and Boozer he's okay but not a great fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 AlanHahn: Hearing Miami is close to completing a three-team deal to move Michael Beasley and get a trade exception back to open up more cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 01:34 PM) Actually, the Paul thing might mean nothing, he and LeBron are good friends. But then again, it could mean something. (How's that for quality insight?) That is Maverick Carter's company that LeBron is bankrolling. It means nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 I've come to the conclusion I'd be ecstatic if Lebron came to the Bulls, don't care if its CLE, NY, NJ, and upset/disappointed if he goes to MIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 01:43 PM) I've come to the conclusion I'd be ecstatic if Lebron came to the Bulls, don't care if its CLE, NY, NJ, and upset/disappointed if he goes to MIA. Agreed 100 percent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Well if Lebron goes to MIA its gotta be NBA's worst case scenario. 3 stars all choosing to go to the smaller market as compared to Chicago or NY. This is going to be great for NBA playoff ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 He isnt going to Miami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 01:45 PM) Well if Lebron goes to MIA its gotta be NBA's worst case scenario. 3 stars all choosing to go to the smaller market as compared to Chicago or NY. This is going to be great for NBA playoff ratings. Oh yeah. Like I wondered aloud last night, does the NBA realize how bad this would be for them? The only positive for them would be a Miami/LA finals, that'd get huge numbers. But other than that, this is just a nightmare for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 You can read post after post of mine stating I doubt he goes to Miami, Im just saying if he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 01:33 PM) PER is nice advanced stats, but it's not what separates a good player from a bad player. Marrese Speights had a PER of close to 20 in his rookie year, does that mean he is the rookie of the year over Rose? Kobe's PER is always far from Lebron's, why do people argue Kobe over Lebron? You can't compare two players base on their stats and PER. Stats don't measure intangibles. Yes, Deng and Beasley have similar numbers, but 95% people will tell you they will rather have Deng over Beasley. the Magic had a great defensive team over the past two seasons, and the guys like Lewis, Carter, Nelson, Turkolu aren't remotely close to being great defensive players. It was all due to Howard's inside presence. Bosh was surrounded by subpar defensive players, but it's no excuse to finish last in the league in defensive efficiency. If you have watched any of the Raptors game, he is not physical defender, not a good help defender, nor does he block shots. He is not a good defender. Period. Minutes played are obviously a major consideration. There's a big difference in posting a 20-plus in 38 MPG and doing it in 20 MPG. Chris Bosh has consistently been one of the most efficient big men in the league in heavy minutes. He's a very good offensive player that is effective on the glass. People argue Kobe over Lebron because he has Pau Gasol and wins more, that doesn't mean Kobe's a better player. The team around you has a huge impact on your individual standing. Pau Gasol got basically all of the same crap thrown at him as Bosh did now when he was with Memphis, now you don't hear any of that because he landed in a much better situation. I never argued that Bosh is a good defender, guys have their own strengths and weaknesses. Bosh doesn't have a ton of bulk, so he needs some help doing the dirty work inside. Pairing him with Bargnani up front is just asking him for trouble, pairing him with someone like Perkins or Noah would drastically improve things. It's not Bosh's fault they had a poorly constructed roster. Howard is one of the best defenders in the league so of course their defense is decent. He's an awesome defender and the rest of their team is fairly average. I don't see how that is relevant in any way since Howard is clearly better than Bosh and isn't on any of the teams in question. Players that can single-handedly improve an entire defense are rare. Edited July 8, 2010 by ZoomSlowik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Everything has been soooo over the place...in my mind every team that has been talked about has an equal chance to landing Lebron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 01:49 PM) Oh yeah. Like I wondered aloud last night, does the NBA realize how bad this would be for them? The only positive for them would be a Miami/LA finals, that'd get huge numbers. But other than that, this is just a nightmare for them. There'd be no realistic competitive balance. I've thought it for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Give it up guys, the dude is going to Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 LeBron is moving from the 26th Metro area to the 7th biggest. I'm sure the NBA is all torn up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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