iamshack Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 10:45 AM) Still wont believe it 'til it happens. The more I read guarantees like that, the more that I feel like I'm being set up for heart break. Yeah, I agree. It all seems a bit easy, doesn't it? I feel almost like we are being used as a pawn here to lure in a bigger fish.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 10:46 AM) Contender? More like championship favorite for the next 4 or 5 seasons (depending on whether Bosh will tempt Free Agency again in 2012). That starting lineup may be among the best in NBA history. Why woul we only sign Bosh for 2 years if we brought him in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I'm so worried I'll be crushed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 11:02 AM) I feel almost like we are being used as a pawn here to lure in a bigger fish.... That's exactly how I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I wouldn't assume anything just yet people. We aren't even half way there yet, everything could change on July 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 12:05 PM) That's exactly how I feel. +1.....to goood to be true....but i can't help getting excited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 11:07 AM) I wouldn't assume anything just yet people. We aren't even half way there yet, everything could change on July 1st. Absolutely correct......but you need to shut your mouth mister cause this is going to happen because a part of Lebrons entourage....and myself... has said its going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 QUOTE (SHIPPS @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 09:20 AM) Absolutely correct......but you need to shut your mouth mister cause this is going to happen because a part of Lebrons entourage....and myself... has said its going to happen. Why...cause World Wide Shipps said so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 anyone else been reading the Tim Donaghy posts over at Deadspin? Pretty good stuff. Really makes me hate the NBA even more. http://deadspin.com/5567321/tim-donaghy-on...ne=true&s=i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 this is even getting ME pumped about the Bulls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 11:02 AM) Yeah, I agree. It all seems a bit easy, doesn't it? I feel almost like we are being used as a pawn here to lure in a bigger fish.... Maybe but LeBron and Bosh have all the leverage in this situation and don't need to use any teams as pawns to get what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 If WWW really said those things...then holy ****. That makes me far less sad about Kirk (still miffed <.> And I didn't mean the 5yr/55M contracts Deng & Ben were offered. I meant the 6yr/71M Deng contract that ultimately drove BG out of town and now Kirk. And trust me, I have never liked Deng, even when everyone said he was going to be an All-Star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 01:59 PM) If WWW really said those things...then holy ****. That makes me far less sad about Kirk (still miffed <.> And I didn't mean the 5yr/55M contracts Deng & Ben were offered. I meant the 6yr/71M Deng contract that ultimately drove BG out of town and now Kirk. And trust me, I have never liked Deng, even when everyone said he was going to be an All-Star. Luol Deng is better than Hinrich and it isn't particularly close. If you are going to keep one of those two and still be able to sign guys like James and Bosh you get rid of Hinrich every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 02:07 PM) Luol Deng is better than Hinrich and it isn't particularly close. If you are going to keep one of those two and still be able to sign guys like James and Bosh you get rid of Hinrich every time. You are so clueless. Deng might be more talented, but Kirk brings more depth to the team and more value in terms of production on the court, reliability, and overall game. Their value is close, but Kirk has more value, and that's why the Bulls were able to find a taker for him and not for Deng. Edited June 25, 2010 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 02:46 PM) You are so clueless. Deng might be more talented, but Kirk brings more depth to the team and more value in terms of production on the court, reliability, and overall game. Their value is close, but Kirk has more value, and that's why the Bulls were able to find a taker for him and not for Deng. On what planet does Hinrich give more production on the court than Deng? They were able to find a taker for him because he is making less money and is signed for less years. Luol Deng PER last year was 16.1 (league average is 15) Hinrich's was 11.6, TS% was .531 Hinrich's was .501, Deng has higher rebounding rates, a lower turnover percentage and a higher usage rate than Hinrich. He has also had a higher number of win shares each of the last 4 years. The only area where Hinrich trumps Deng is in assist rate. You can look at basically any statistical analysis or just watch the Bulls play and it is clear Deng is the better player. http://www.82games.com/0910/0910CHI.HTM Edited June 25, 2010 by whitesoxfan99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) Deng is a bum. No amount of PER will convince me otherwise. My EYES tell me what's up. Edited June 25, 2010 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 What are the chances of Wes using Chicago as leverage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 03:25 PM) What are the chances of Wes using Chicago as leverage? Leverage for what? Other than Cleveland, every other team as the exact same offer on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 03:16 PM) Deng is a bum. No amount of PER will convince me otherwise. My EYES tell me what's up. Yep, 18 pts and 7 boards while being a more efficient scorer than Hinrich and he is the bum. Way to back up your argument though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 02:54 PM) On what planet does Hinrich give more production on the court than Deng? They were able to find a taker for him because he is making less money and is signed for less years. Luol Deng PER last year was 16.1 (league average is 15) Hinrich's was 11.6, TS% was .531 Hinrich's was .501, Deng has higher rebounding rates, a lower turnover percentage and a higher usage rate than Hinrich. He has also had a higher number of win shares each of the last 4 years. The only area where Hinrich trumps Deng is in assist rate. You can look at basically any statistical analysis or just watch the Bulls play and it is clear Deng is the better player. http://www.82games.com/0910/0910CHI.HTM On the planet where we have LeBron James, Chris Bosh, and 2M more cap space. Kirk Hinrich just fits and rounds out a starting five of Rose/LeBron/Bosh/Noah better than Deng. Sure, he's no great shooter, but he takes pressure off of Rose to defend the tougher guard and thats not taking into account Hinrich's team first attitude compared to Deng's me first attitude. Plus, that $2M could go towards a 3pt shooter. Now, that being said if I'm starting a team and have to pick either Deng or Hinrich to build around, it's Deng. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 04:58 PM) On the planet where we have LeBron James, Chris Bosh, and 2M more cap space. Kirk Hinrich just fits and rounds out a starting five of Rose/LeBron/Bosh/Noah better than Deng. Sure, he's no great shooter, but he takes pressure off of Rose to defend the tougher guard and thats not taking into account Hinrich's team first attitude compared to Deng's me first attitude. Plus, that $2M could go towards a 3pt shooter. Now, that being said if I'm starting a team and have to pick either Deng or Hinrich to build around, it's Deng. There's no way they sign Lebron and don't move Deng to fill their bench. No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 04:08 PM) There's no way they sign Lebron and don't move Deng to fill their bench. No way. One can hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 05:13 PM) One can hope. We wouldn't have heard about that Magic deal otherwise. Makes too much sense if the Bulls land Lebron. Only downside is that it could make the Magic a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Deng's a better player than Hinrich. Deng's WARP over the past two years is 6.2. Hinrich's WARP is 2.2. Basketball metrics aren't exactly as good as the baseball ones, but that's a 4 win difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 But I do have to say, if we do get Bosh and LeBron, Deng is almost dead weight . I'd rather have Hinrich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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