Steve9347 Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 What's truly sad is that Rashard Lewis will get amnestied, and then get a pretty solid payday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 08:18 PM) What's truly sad is that Rashard Lewis will get amnestied, and then get a pretty solid payday. Nobody's going to overpay Rashard Lewis...again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 08:18 PM) What's truly sad is that Rashard Lewis will get amnestied, and then get a pretty solid payday. Yeah, I can't wait to see how seriously Nene and Marc Gasol get overpaid while the owners claim that they fixed the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 08:19 PM) Nobody's going to overpay Rashard Lewis...again. Versus what his value is, I'd say it's almost a guarantee that Lewis gets overpaid again, while also pocketing the $30 million owed to him on his contract still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 08:21 PM) Yeah, I can't wait to see how seriously Nene and Marc Gasol get overpaid while the owners claim that they fixed the system. Oh yes, absolutely no doubt about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 07:28 PM) Brandon Roy would be pretty awesome, we have the depth to keep his minutes down while keeping him starting too. I'd love Brandon Roy on this team, even without knees! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 08:24 PM) Versus what his value is, I'd say it's almost a guarantee that Lewis gets overpaid again, while also pocketing the $30 million owed to him on his contract still. I think teams are gonna pay him as a 3 point option off the bench, but that's what I think of his value. I'm not so sure every team in the NBA thinks that way though. Rumor has it that San Antonio wants to replace Richard Jefferson with Lewis. My question is...WHY?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 08:24 PM) Versus what his value is, I'd say it's almost a guarantee that Lewis gets overpaid again, while also pocketing the $30 million owed to him on his contract still. Does he get both though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 08:46 PM) Does he get both though? Why wouldn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 One interesting nugget I read is the fact that the amnesty clause need not be used by teams in year one. In fact, they can use the clause, one time only, at any point during the CBA. This benefits the Bulls, because as is you want Boozer on the team this year and maybe next, because when healthy he can get you quick buckets. However, at the end of the deal (the final two years), when we can all expect him to be horrific... bye bye Boozie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 08:54 PM) One interesting nugget I read is the fact that the amnesty clause need not be used by teams in year one. In fact, they can use the clause, one time only, at any point during the CBA. This benefits the Bulls, because as is you want Boozer on the team this year and maybe next, because when healthy he can get you quick buckets. However, at the end of the deal (the final two years), when we can all expect him to be horrific... bye bye Boozie. He's borderline horrific now. A jump-shooting PF that plays no defense and goes into seclusion against athletic front-courts. He's turrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 09:12 PM) He's borderline horrific now. A jump-shooting PF that plays no defense and goes into seclusion against athletic front-courts. He's turrible The playoffs were absolutely horrific. Remember, he was injured (but again, we expect this with Boozer). The Bulls, even with the way Taj played last year in spurts, aren't really in a position where they can kick a guy who averaged 18 points and 10 boards over the course of the season on 51% shooting to the curb. Maybe that assbag can even not trip over some luggage, participate in training camp like the rest of the NBA, and get back to the numbers he had the year prior (20/11/56%). Yeah. Can't kick that guy to the curb... even if he was captain frustration last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 09:29 PM) The playoffs were absolutely horrific. Remember, he was injured (but again, we expect this with Boozer). The Bulls, even with the way Taj played last year in spurts, aren't really in a position where they can kick a guy who averaged 18 points and 10 boards over the course of the season on 51% shooting to the curb. Maybe that assbag can even not trip over some luggage, participate in training camp like the rest of the NBA, and get back to the numbers he had the year prior (20/11/56%). Yeah. Can't kick that guy to the curb... even if he was captain frustration last year. I'm not saying kick him to the curb. But if he's your second option, you're in trouble come playoffs. He's so easy to expose. I can't stand him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 The best part of the whole lockout was not having to think about how much I dislike Carlos Boozer being on my favorite team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 09:35 PM) I'm not saying kick him to the curb. But if he's your second option, you're in trouble come playoffs. He's so easy to expose. I can't stand him. This is true. The Bulls' "2nd option" is pretty much a committee. I would love to see them finally address the 2. It seemed last year at the deadline they were more than ready but couldn't get a deal done without moving way too much. This tells me they won't go status quo and we'll see a lot of rumors/attempts leading up to FA opening on the 9th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 05:14 PM) Might as well bring back Elton Brand and *Ron Artest while you're at it. *Metta World Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 27, 2011 -> 02:29 PM) The playoffs were absolutely horrific. Remember, he was injured (but again, we expect this with Boozer). The Bulls, even with the way Taj played last year in spurts, aren't really in a position where they can kick a guy who averaged 18 points and 10 boards over the course of the season on 51% shooting to the curb. Maybe that assbag can even not trip over some luggage, participate in training camp like the rest of the NBA, and get back to the numbers he had the year prior (20/11/56%). Yeah. Can't kick that guy to the curb... even if he was captain frustration last year. How's the Bulls cap situation looking if they did decide to waive him? e.g could they could sign an up and coming PF for the MLE, or go for a cheaper option such as David West? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 08:46 PM) Does he get both though? Unless they have changed the rules, yes. All NBA players who have been released when owed guaranteed money and sign with new teams for years have been basically given a raise. Its not like MLB where the team that releases them gets the minimum relief if they go sign for the minimum someplace else. Its also why more guys in the NBA are up for buyouts. They take less money, but will make up at least some of that with their next team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 FYI, I'd also keep a very close eye on Brandon Roy. I know Orlando has been rumored to be interested in him for a long time, and he's a prime candidate to be amnesty waived. Someone the Bulls could look at for the 2 spot if he becomes available (despite all of the injury issues). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 27, 2011 -> 05:57 AM) FYI, I'd also keep a very close eye on Brandon Roy. I know Orlando has been rumored to be interested in him for a long time, and he's a prime candidate to be amnesty waived. Someone the Bulls could look at for the 2 spot if he becomes available (despite all of the injury issues). If Brandon Roy wasnt Grant Hill part 2, I think he would be a great option. The Bulls just cannot afford to put their hope into a guy who will very likely miss half of his games due to knee issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 27, 2011 -> 04:05 AM) e.g could they could sign an up and coming PF for the MLE, or go for a cheaper option such as David West? I'd urge Zoomslowik to post, but I do believe they could offer something like this to David West if they amnestied Carlos Boozer. The issue here is eating $60.6 million remaining on his contract. That is just absolutely not going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 08:49 PM) Why wouldn't he? I'm pretty sure in baseball when a guy gets released he continues to get his old salary, with is new team picking up the pro-rated minimum for the lifetime of the new deal, corresponding with the old one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 27, 2011 -> 05:51 AM) Unless they have changed the rules, yes. All NBA players who have been released when owed guaranteed money and sign with new teams for years have been basically given a raise. Its not like MLB where the team that releases them gets the minimum relief if they go sign for the minimum someplace else. Its also why more guys in the NBA are up for buyouts. They take less money, but will make up at least some of that with their next team. Nevermind. That answers that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 27, 2011 -> 08:22 AM) I'd urge Zoomslowik to post, but I do believe they could offer something like this to David West if they amnestied Carlos Boozer. The issue here is eating $60.6 million remaining on his contract. That is just absolutely not going to happen. I have no idea what the new salary cap is or what new rules I have to learn, so it'd be hard for me to give a definitive answer. However, even under the old system I don't think that would be feasible. If I recall correctly, the salary cap figure last year was at like $58 mil. If you wiped out Boozer's $13.5 mil contract, they would be still be at around $48 million (Noah's extension kicks in, which hurts). I can't see $10 mil being enough space for David West (unless the market for him is seriously depressed due to injury, which I doubt). With a lower BRI, the cap would come down, making it even less likely the Bulls would be able to add a decent replacement unless I'm missing another change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 10:29 PM) The playoffs were absolutely horrific. Remember, he was injured (but again, we expect this with Boozer). The Bulls, even with the way Taj played last year in spurts, aren't really in a position where they can kick a guy who averaged 18 points and 10 boards over the course of the season on 51% shooting to the curb. Maybe that assbag can even not trip over some luggage, participate in training camp like the rest of the NBA, and get back to the numbers he had the year prior (20/11/56%). Yeah. Can't kick that guy to the curb... even if he was captain frustration last year. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 10:35 PM) I'm not saying kick him to the curb. But if he's your second option, you're in trouble come playoffs. He's so easy to expose. I can't stand him. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 26, 2011 -> 10:39 PM) This is true. The Bulls' "2nd option" is pretty much a committee. I would love to see them finally address the 2. It seemed last year at the deadline they were more than ready but couldn't get a deal done without moving way too much. This tells me they won't go status quo and we'll see a lot of rumors/attempts leading up to FA opening on the 9th. Boozer's problem in the playoffs last year was the same as Rose's problem...they basically lost Korver on the outside, so every opposing team collapsed into the lane and tried to beat those 2 guys up. Without a jump shooting threat, there was nothing to push the defense to the outside. If they tried that same collapsing technique and Boozer averaged 7 points per game, but Korver was hitting his shots outside, the Bulls would still be winning because Korver would be putting up 23 a game getting wide open looks. Boozer was also, once again, hurt, in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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