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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 11:40 AM)
while other teams (The Bulls, for instance), playing by the rules had no such chance.

 

Dwight is back in play.

I highly doubt the Bulls are 100% innocent in trying to get Howard. They just arent as stupid as to have a meeting with him. THey can use Rose like the Heat used Wade.

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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 12:17 PM)
I highly doubt the Bulls are 100% innocent in trying to get Howard. They just arent as stupid as to have a meeting with him. THey can use Rose like the Heat used Wade.

Rename the f***ing arena the ADIDAS Center and give Dwight and D-Rose a cut, f*** if I care!!

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QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 12:18 PM)
Not when they were teamates on the US Olympic team, that's when the supposed tampering began.

 

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 12:15 PM)
Yeah, it started with the Olympics. But again, that was a player (Wade) courting a player (LeBron).
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QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 12:02 PM)
If Paul just walks after this season, they have even less chance of competing because their only strategy will be "hope you luck into someone awesome in the lottery". Jack/Martin/Odom/Scola/Okafor is at least a respectable team.

 

There are always going to be different strategies that teams can take. Trying to stay relevant VS starting from scratch. Youth VS veterans. Project players VS known quantities. Some people may not like the direction Demps took (though many do and I've yet to hear some great alternative), but it should have been his right to make it. This trade was not unreasonable.

 

That team simply misses the playoffs for the next 3 or 4 years in the west, racks up a few late lottery picks, and is stuck being awful when those guys decline anyways. The only way that team succeeds is if they get a dramatic upgrade at the point somehow.

 

If they pick up young assets and win 20 games for a few years, they dramatically improve their chances of getting another Paul and maybe build a good young team like OKC.

 

I'm not arguing it isn't "reasonable" at least on paper, it's just not an approach that is going to be particularly beneficial to New Orleans.

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If the bulls are going after Howard, I'm glad they are doing it quietly. The last thing you want to do is create resentment with your players before the season begins. You know, I feel like we can offer the best package for Howard, but it's going to come down to him.

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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 12:16 PM)
I bet that tampering stuff happens all the time. You just can't be obvious about it....like having a dinner meeting between an owner and a player.

 

Even if they did, you have to have pretty conclusive proof that they had a meeting and discussed acquiring him. That's why there hasn't really been a significant punishment for tampering that I could find. The most "serious" one on a quick search was when Miami signed Riley and they gave up some cash and a draft pick to make the complaint go away.

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QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 11:26 AM)
Recap: Hornets losing Paul would rather get than 3 good players for him than nothing.

 

This trade was stopped because people didn't want the Lakers to improve, not because it was bad for the Hornets. The Nuggets were in the same situation with Carmelo and they got far less (Wilson Chandler​, Raymond Felton​, Danilo Gallinari​, and Timofey Mozgov), but that trade didn't get blocked.

 

The NBA also hadn't just spent 6 months in a lockout at that time either.

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Obviously we all are hoping we can land Howard, but realistically it's not happening, D12 seems kind of like the dopey front runner kind (LBJ), he's going to end up in LA some way somehow, the Bulls just don't attract mega FAs, Rose doesn't have much pull if all we got last year was Carlos f***ing Boozer, I'm not getting my hopes up this time, we probably won't even get Jefferson :angry:

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QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 12:28 PM)
Obviously we all are hoping we can land Howard, but realistically it's not happening, D12 seems kind of like the dopey front runner kind (LBJ), he's going to end up in LA some way somehow, the Bulls just don't attract mega FAs, Rose doesn't have much pull if all we got last year was Carlos f***ing Boozer, I'm not getting my hopes up this time, we probably won't even get Jefferson :angry:

I'd rather slit my wrists than wind up with Richard Jefferson.

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QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 12:28 PM)
Obviously we all are hoping we can land Howard, but realistically it's not happening, D12 seems kind of like the dopey front runner kind (LBJ), he's going to end up in LA some way somehow, the Bulls just don't attract mega FAs, Rose doesn't have much pull if all we got last year was Carlos f***ing Boozer, I'm not getting my hopes up this time, we probably won't even get Jefferson :angry:

 

Supposedly Rose never reached out to any of those guys.

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QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 07:19 PM)
That team simply misses the playoffs for the next 3 or 4 years in the west, racks up a few late lottery picks, and is stuck being awful when those guys decline anyways. The only way that team succeeds is if they get a dramatic upgrade at the point somehow.

 

Yeah, I agree they're not in great shape either way.

 

If they pick up young assets and win 20 games for a few years, they dramatically improve their chances of getting another Paul and maybe build a good young team like OKC.

 

Given their crappy financial situation, fairly weak fanbase, and talks of contraction, can they survive with a string of 20-win seasons? Lucking into a Chris Paul or Kevin Durant doesn't happen often.

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QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 01:35 PM)
I heard somewhere that Rose texted LBJ about wanting to play with him.

 

He did. But only to apologize for not calling him when everyone else was.

 

Rose doesn't call people and doesn't recruit.

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“Since the NBA purchased the New Orleans Hornets, final responsibility for significant management decisions lies with the Commissioner's Office in consultation with team chairman Jac Sperling. All decisions are made on the basis of what is in the best interests of the Hornets. In the case of the trade proposal that was made to the Hornets for Chris Paul, we decided, free from the influence of other NBA owners, that the team was better served with Chris in a Hornets uniform than by the outcome of the terms of that trade.”

 

David Stern statement.

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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 12:44 PM)
“Since the NBA purchased the New Orleans Hornets, final responsibility for significant management decisions lies with the Commissioner's Office in consultation with team chairman Jac Sperling. All decisions are made on the basis of what is in the best interests of the Hornets. In the case of the trade proposal that was made to the Hornets for Chris Paul, we decided, free from the influence of other NBA owners, that the team was better served with Chris in a Hornets uniform than by the outcome of the terms of that trade.”

 

David Stern statement.

 

Translation: How the hell are we supposed to sell this franchise for top dollar without Chris Paul, or the possibility of Chris Paul sticking around?

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QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 12:31 PM)
Yeah, I agree they're not in great shape either way.

 

 

 

Given their crappy financial situation, fairly weak fanbase, and talks of contraction, can they survive with a string of 20-win seasons? Lucking into a Chris Paul or Kevin Durant doesn't happen often.

 

I don't follow the logic here at all. If Chris Paul and a couple of playoff appearances couldn't keep them out of financial trouble, how is winning 30-35 games with far less marketable players than Paul going to save them?

 

 

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QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 07:54 PM)
I don't follow the logic here at all. If Chris Paul and a couple of playoff appearances couldn't keep them out of financial trouble, how is winning 30-35 games with far less marketable players than Paul going to save them?

 

It's not, but I think 20 wins a year with players even less marketable than the guys they got is worse. And I'm not sure they're 30-35 wins bad.

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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 12:48 PM)
If found to have had the meeting with Howard, the Nets could face stiff fines, a loss of draft picks and perhaps even lose the right to sign him as a free agent next summer or trade for him.

 

Wojnarowski Article

So now that the Nets are out of the picture, and the Knicks signing Chandler, it's basically LA or Chicago for Howard, right?

 

It's obvious D12 wants out of Orlando, if the Bulls can offer a better package than the Lakers, we still have a good shot at him?crap, I'm getting my hopes up like last year :nono

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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 01:51 PM)
Translation: How the hell are we supposed to sell this franchise for top dollar without Chris Paul, or the possibility of Chris Paul sticking around?

 

They had better get on the stick and sell because he won't be there much longer. Or will Kaiser Stern disallow his free agency too?

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